USSR invades Ukraine. (46 Viewers)

[fatso]

Good post. The US always likes a war at a time of recession.

Correct, and if you think about it, it's the perfect proxy war for the USA, it gives them the chance to give out major contracts, and push their own agenda across Europe, while not having any body bags coming back to upset the public.
Trust me, this war ain't stopping any time soon.

Infact I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out the American CIA hadn't been feeding Putin false intelligence for months, goading him to launch the invasion.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

I hate to say it, but I think the west will drip feed only enough military hardware to keep Ukrain in the fight. It suits NATO (the Americans mainly) to see Russia worn down both militarily and financially, and that requires a long war of attrician which will mean multi million dollar arms contracts. Which will benefit western economies during a time of recession.
(Ironically a recession partly caused by the same war) it's a fucked up world we live in.

Well I'll be damned, I agree with every word. Well except for the butchered spelling of 'attrition'

 

[fatso]

Well I'll be damned, I agree with every word. Well except for the butchered spelling of 'attrition'

Careful, you dont want to start agreeing with me

Also, with Finland and Sweeden wanting to join NATO because of this war, you can bet part of their joining criteria will be that they have to order American arms to defend their borders. Honestly, its a win win for America on every front.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Careful, you dont want to start agreeing with me

Also, with Finland and Switzerland wanting to join NATO because of this war, you can bet part of their joining criteria will be that they have to order American arms to defend their borders. Honestly, ita a win win for America on every front.

Never underestimate the pull of the American military industrial complex. They are wise enough to have factories and suppliers in all 50 states so if a President ever tries to down size they'll make someone in most states unemployed.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Correct, and if you think about it, it's the perfect proxy war for the USA, it gives them the chance to give out major contracts, and push their own agenda across Europe, while not having any body bags coming back to upset the public.
Trust me, this war ain't stopping any time soon.

Infact I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out the American CIA hadn't been feeding Putin false intelligence for months, goading him to launch the invasion.

They will arm Ukraine enough for it to drag out this war as long as possible whilst ensuring it won't tip the balance enough for Russia to lose ground.
Let's accept that Ukraine cannot win. They've pushed Russia back early on but as things are it's only Russian incompetence that will change things.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Lithuania is now annoying Putin over access to kalingrad . If Russia takes action against Lithuania, as it threatens to do, this will escalate the situation significantly.
I've always wondered why Russia was allowed to effectively keep much if what was East Prussia , after 1945. Does anyone know why ?

 

[Flying Fokker]

They beat the west to it? The spoils of conquest as in East Berlin annexation and subsequent Cold War.

 

[Flying Fokker]

Prussian Partition - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

theres more. Looking at the maps is an eye opener. Why not go through Poland? Via Belarus? which leads to the possibility that Belarus may invade Lithuania.
How did Prussia disappear after World War II?

 

[wingy]

Lithuania is now annoying Putin over access to kalingrad . If Russia takes action against Lithuania, as it threatens to do, this will escalate the situation significantly.
I've always wondered why Russia was allowed to effectively keep much if what was East Prussia , after 1945. Does anyone know why ?

Or that Lithuania's formation didn't get to include that region included.
Have read today it's related to pollution ?

 

[PVA]

I've always wondered why Russia was allowed to effectively keep much if what was East Prussia , after 1945. Does anyone know why ?

Because... War.

They conquered it, they kept it.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The Ben Stiller meeting Zelensky thing was a bit weird, US consent manufacturing?

 

[Flying Fokker]

This snippet on BBC coincidence that I posted about Belarus earlier.

NATO warned 'prepare to defend weakest point'
NATO has been warned that it must pay closer attention to the Suwalki Gap, a
40-mile-long strip of border between Lithuania and Poland but flanked by
Russia and Belarus, a potential invasion corridor for Vladimir Putin.
Around 40 miles (65 kilometres) long, the stretch of land is considered high risk
if Russia decided to move into Belarus, or even station troops in the country as
it did in Belarus' south at the beginning of the Ukraine war.
John R Deni, a research professor at the US Army War College's Strategic
Studies Institute and a nonresident senior fellow at the Atlantic Council,
recently wrote an analysis piece for Foreign Policy in which he warned that
"NATO Must Prepare to Defend Its Weakest Point - the Suwalki Corridor."

 

[PVA]

Opening up a second front would be an absolutely terrible idea. I can't imagine they'd even contemplate it...

... Which given Russia's military strategy so far means that's exactly what they'll do!

 

[Flying Fokker]

So, India buying Russia’s oil and selling it on to the west at massive profits. Source: Wall Street Journal.

 

[Otis]

So, India buying Russia’s oil and selling it on to the west at massive profits. Source: Wall Street Journal.

 

[David O'Day]

Opening up a second front would be an absolutely terrible idea. I can't imagine they'd even contemplate it...

... Which given Russia's military strategy so far means that's exactly what they'll do!

They barely have the resources to keep open one front for any extended period of time

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

So, India buying Russia’s oil and selling it on to the west at massive profits. Source: Wall Street Journal.

Not really surprising....nor is China buying Russian oil at 50% off market price.....

War...what is it good for? Its good for business!

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

They barely have the resources to keep open one front for any extended period of time

What do you mean by " resources" ? Their resources are adequate enough to do untold damage to Ukraine. Medium and long range missiles, cluster bombs and air power is what they have used to destroy Ukraine territory so far. It's not about " fronts" as such because that necessitates millions of troops digging in. Unless WW3 breaks out Russia do not need a front because the west aren't committed.

 

[PVA]

And they are running out of some of those resources. Precision missiles for example.

 

[tisza]

And they are running out of some of those resources. Precision missiles for example.

Trying to buy off China and India still. Can't get the parts (particularly guidance) for their own as were bought from EU countries.

 

[RegTheDonk]

Could the EU put pressure on China and India perhaps? Supply Putin with weapons or tech for arms and we'll stop doing business with you? Or will it be cutting our own throats?

 

[Macca]

The Ben Stiller meeting Zelensky thing was a bit weird, US consent manufacturing?

Zelensky rocking up at Glastonbury even stranger. Have utmost sympathy for the Ukrainian people but my gut feeling is that I don’t trust him

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So, India buying Russia’s oil and selling it on to the west at massive profits. Source: Wall Street Journal.

And yet we still won’t entertain building nuclear plants in this country before we consider opening new coal mines.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Zelensky rocking up at Glastonbury even stranger. Have utmost sympathy for the Ukrainian people but my gut feeling is that I don’t trust him

Is that true ? If it is I wouldn't be too pleased if I were sheltering in a basement back in Ukraine.

 

[PVA]

It was via video (unless I missed something).

Which is fair enough, it's important for him to keep the war relevant in the news and in people's minds.

 

[Grendel]

Zelensky rocking up at Glastonbury even stranger. Have utmost sympathy for the Ukrainian people but my gut feeling is that I don’t trust him

Probably the most suffering he personally has endured listening to Paul MCartney

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

It was via video (unless I missed something).

Which is fair enough, it's important for him to keep the war relevant in the news and in people's minds.

Relevant ? Was he wearing a flack jacket ?

 

[PVA]

Yes, it's vital for him and for Ukraine that the war remains in the news and at the forefront of people's minds.

He wasn't discussing his favourite bands or regaling tales of popping pills at festivals if that's what you're thinking.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Yes, it's vital for him and for Ukraine that the war remains in the news and at the forefront of people's minds.

He wasn't discussing his favourite bands or regaling tales of popping pills at festivals if that's what you're thinking.

What was he doing ?

 

[PVA]

As I say he was asking for support:

In a pre-taped message, Mr Zelensky asked for support during the ongoing Russian invasion.

"We will not let Russia's war stop us,"

"That is why we turn to you for support. I ask you to share this video with everyone whose freedom is under attack."

He asked festival-goes to "help Ukrainians who are forced to flee their homes" by putting "pressure on politicians" around the world.

"The more people who join us in defending freedom and the truth, the sooner Russia's war will end," he said.

 

[Grendel]

As I say he was asking for support:

What support are the audience going to give him - does he need a few scented candles and joss sticks?

 

[Grendel]

Is that true ? If it is I wouldn't be too pleased if I were sheltering in a basement back in Ukraine.

This is a good read

Zelensky’s peculiar Glastonbury appearance

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has addressed the Glastonbury festival to drum up support for his country after the Russian invasion.

www.spectator.co.uk

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Yes, it's vital for him and for Ukraine that the war remains in the news and at the forefront of people's minds.

He wasn't discussing his favourite bands or regaling tales of popping pills at festivals if that's what you're thinking.

Oh I see.
If he was on someone's shoulders singing along to "Half a world away " in full combat gear that won't go down well back home.

 

[PVA]

Oh I see. He went on stage and addressed the audience. He could have done that via satellite link.
If he was on someone's shoulders singing along to "Half a world away " in full combat gear that won't go down well back home.

No, he did not go on stage. It was a pre recorded video. He has not left Ukraine since the war started.

 

[chiefdave]

Why do people get surprised when anyone political appears at Glastonbury to give a speech. It happens every year and loads of people give them. Its not like its all music and then he popped in the middle of someone's set.

My MP, Zarah Sultana, is there today talking about the cost of living crisis and there's been political speeches and debates all weekend as there is every year at the festival.