USSR invades Ukraine. (19 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

How many Ukrainians alive now won't see it?

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Meaning? How many Europeans died to see the world rid of Hitler?

 

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[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Shopping centre attack:

.It's a war crime. Put it in the notebook for later.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Shopping centre attack:

.It's a war crime. Put it in the notebook for later.

And these are just the ones we can verify. Christ knows what is going on in fully occupied areas.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

And these are just the ones we can verify. Christ knows what is going on in fully occupied areas.

My real point is that we can keep pointing the finger and shouting "war crime !" but it means absolutely nothing because those responsible will never be brought to trial so why bother? We all know what's going on. It's like a school bully beating the living daylights out of a girl in the playground knowing that the teachers are scared stiff of him but they're doing their bit by writing it all down. It's all pointless.
This is a war and in war there are absolutely no rules and that's the way it's always been.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

My real point is that we can keep pointing the finger and shouting "war crime !" but it means absolutely nothing because those responsible will never be brought to trial so why bother? We all know what's going on. It's like a school bully beating the living daylights out of a girl in the playground knowing that the teachers are scared stiff of him but they're doing their bit by writing it all down. It's all pointless.
This is a war and in war there are absolutely no rules and that's the way it's always been.

To coin one of the first useful teaching phrases I heard

‘If you ignore it you condone it’

 

[fernandopartridge]

Meaning? How many Europeans died to see the world rid of Hitler?

What a ridiculous comment

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[fernandopartridge]

How many wouldn’t survive occupation?

Unknown but part of a negotiated settlement might be just to recognise the existing separatist areas as Russian or perhaps allowing what's left of the population to self determine. I don't know, I just believe that a prolonged war will see untold death and destruction and a hollow victory for whomever it may be.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

What a ridiculous comment

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Really? We have people here saying Ukraine should follow the French example and allow itself to be divided up.

 

[shmmeee]

Unknown but part of a negotiated settlement might be just to recognise the existing separatist areas as Russian or perhaps allowing what's left of the population to self determine. I don't know, I just believe that a prolonged war will see untold death and destruction and a hollow victory for whomever it may be.

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This seems spectacularly naive. Russia has been open about its wish to annihilate Ukrainian culture, they’ve been forcing people to move, shooting and raping the population, forcing Russian citizenship on them. There’s no chance they’ll just let those in south east Ukraine crack on with their lives, and only a slim chance that’ll be the end of their aspirations.

The very fact you’re calling some occupied territory “separatist areas” brings your judgement and balance into question TBH.

 

[Grendel]

Really? We have people here saying Ukraine should follow the French example and allow itself to be divided up.

it’s a stupid comparison

 

[Grendel]

This seems spectacularly naive. Russia has been open about its wish to annihilate Ukrainian culture, they’ve been forcing people to move, shooting and raping the population, forcing Russian citizenship on them. There’s no chance they’ll just let those in south east Ukraine crack on with their lives, and only a slim chance that’ll be the end of their aspirations.

The very fact you’re calling some occupied territory “separatist areas” brings your judgement and balance into question TBH.

Its far more balanced than nonsense saying Russia is going for European domination and will start rolling tanks through the rest of Europe

 

[skybluetony176]

Its far more balanced than nonsense saying Russia is going for European domination and will start rolling tanks through the rest of Europe

That’s what Chamberlain said about the Nazi’s.

 

[fernandopartridge]

This seems spectacularly naive. Russia has been open about its wish to annihilate Ukrainian culture, they’ve been forcing people to move, shooting and raping the population, forcing Russian citizenship on them. There’s no chance they’ll just let those in south east Ukraine crack on with their lives, and only a slim chance that’ll be the end of their aspirations.

The very fact you’re calling some occupied territory “separatist areas” brings your judgement and balance into question TBH.

Can you explain to me what the alternative is?

 

[fernandopartridge]

That’s what Chamberlain said about the Nazi’s.

It's as if you are completely ignoring the Treaty Organisation that was formed subsequent to that event

 

[shmmeee]

Can you explain to me what the alternative is?

Arm them.

There’s some long range multi launch rockets going into the field right now that could make a big difference. Russia is down to reservists and unwilling to conscript.

Best case is probably that they don’t lose the whole south coast and it’s ports. And push Russia back to Donetsk and Luhansk, away from as much of the oil fields as possible. But that will only happen if they’re forced back.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Arm them.

There’s some long range multi launch rockets going into the field right now that could make a big difference. Russia is down to reservists and unwilling to conscript.

Best case is probably that they don’t lose the whole south coast and it’s ports. And push Russia back to Donetsk and Luhansk, away from as much of the oil fields as possible. But that will only happen if they’re forced back.

Do you believe there is a western stockpile of the type of weapons they'll need to do that?

 

[Grendel]

At what point will you understand that he'll just regroup, send his 'separatists' further into Ukraine to get the narrative they want independence and go again? It won't stop the war, at best it will pause it so he can manufacture more weapons to bomb the fuck out of it and kill even more people.

How many people died after "peace in our time"?

At what point will you understand most military experts would say you are talking shite?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Unknown but part of a negotiated settlement might be just to recognise the existing separatist areas as Russian or perhaps allowing what's left of the population to self determine. I don't know, I just believe that a prolonged war will see untold death and destruction and a hollow victory for whomever it may be.

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But doing that will just embolden Putin to repeat the tactics of putting his operatives into those areas so he can separate them over time too. It's not a solution - it's a lull in proceedings before it all happens again.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

At what point will you understand most military experts would say you are talking shite?

At what point will they realise that's exactly what happened in Crimea and Donbas?

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

At what point will they realise that's exactly what happened in Crimea and Donbas?

And is happening in Moldova as well. He is on the march much like Hitler in the 1930’s.

 

[Grendel]

At what point will they realise that's exactly what happened in Crimea and Donbas?

Are you a military historian or something?

 

[Grendel]

And is happening in Moldova as well. He is on the march much like Hitler in the 1930’s.

nonsense

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

At what point will you understand most military experts would say you are talking shite?

The man himself has said he doesn't recognise Ukraine's right to exist. Think he's made his intentions pretty clear.

 

[Grendel]

The man himself has said he doesn't recognise Ukraine's right to exist. Think he's made his intentions pretty clear.

That’s not answered the question?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That’s not answered the question?

How? A negotiation where Ukraine gives up some territory won't change what Putin ultimately wants and will push for.

 

[Grendel]

How? A negotiation where Ukraine gives up some territory won't change what Putin ultimately wants and will push for.

Again no military expert agrees with you do they?

 

[David O'Day]

Turkey says yes to Sweden and Finland joining NATO.

Unlucky Vlad

 

[David O'Day]

Seems Ukraine is going to get a lot more military equipment that the Russians could only dream of having.

Wonder if Russia is about to take Kyiv?

 

[David O'Day]

All while Russia can't even service it's own debts

 

[Grendel]

Special brew time

 

[David O'Day]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61960122

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Again no military expert agrees with you do they?

What does Putin say?

 

[Grendel]

What does Putin say?

What does every world leader say?

Kim Jung said he was the best golfer in the world - I have doubts

 

[David O'Day]

Did the 5ft pretend

What does Putin say?

"Hi Grenners, can you stop going through my bins?"

 

[Grendel]

Oh dear well into it now. Must have been a bargain past sell by date at the happy shopper