shmmeee
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One for the comic book nerds.
USSR invades Ukraine. (25 Viewers)
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One for the comic book nerds.
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How can you use the words 'all is good' in light if the atrocities that people are suffering in Ukraine? I know they're not your family but...
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No I don't for one minute think WW3 is going to start but all Putin has done (so far) is crippled his army while everyone around him strengthens (apart from Ukraine, obviously).
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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...apart from the huge number of atrocities committed, the people killed, displaced or being forced to live under occupation.
Grendel
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Its fairly obvious the west won’t be involved or get involved unless borders are crossed
Grendel
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That’s war - ask Vietnam
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That has nothing to do with what I said about your comment. Usual deflection.
Addressing your comment, that's true with regard to NATO borders. However, a border has already been crossed.
Grendel
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A nato border hasn’t hardly a deflection but a fact
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It was a different point so it was a deflection.
The border between Russia and Ukraine is also a fact.
Grendel
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So what? Other countries have been engaged in conflict without a mass involvement from every nato country
As it borders NATO countries there will be more interest but whatever the talk there is not going to be any direct action
In fact a cynical person could view the rhetoric from the White House suits a pretty obvious foreign policy view for decades that Russia is a big enemy and far more a threat than China (not true in reality)
So the best way to drain Russia resources and to look interested in to egg on the invaded country and let the occupation go on and on
No attempt has been made at negotiating some form of peace or even a cease fire which in itself is rather odd
Brighton Sky Blue
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No attempt? So all the times Ukrainian officials met for talks with Russian ones didn’t count?
Grendel
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No attempt at mitigation from the us and NATO to get a practical solution and a settlement
Brighton Sky Blue
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Which would basically see us telling Ukraine to suck it up and hand over territory just as we did 85 years ago in Czechoslovakia
Tbh I think the prevailing view in the Biden WH is that China is much more of a threat than Russia, and a lot of the US response to the Ukraine invasion is all about signalling to China what will happen if it tries something similar with Taiwan.
Grendel
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Well as ever with you the comparison is somewhat spurious
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Well it's obviously not perfect, but I guess it's just showing that it isn't just walk in and people roll over - it takes resource and hassle.
As I said, by no means perfect and wouldn't stop them if they truly wanted to - but at least gives them something to weigh up whether they could be bothered, I guess.
Brighton Sky Blue
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From where I’m standing they’re uncannily similar
Well it’s obviously not going to be the exact same playbook, given China’s extreme leverage over everyone, but the message they want to send is that the West will stand firm behind an invaded territory, even if it comes at major economic cost to all concerned.
skybluetony176
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Ain’t in funny how someone who wants us to do nothing can still find the energy to slate others nations and their leaders for not doing as much as us. Duplicity.
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Why is it spurious? Please explain
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And won't answer as to whether he thinks Trump was a good President or not.
Grendel
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Why? The poster who made the comment has offered zero explanation as to the “striking similarities”
Grendel
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Oh dear is the UKIP Tonester off again?
Why you drone on I have no idea. I’m not American and I don’t live in America so I have no idea if he was good or not. I don’t actually care. As Jon Sopel said in a good article at least the chaos he bought was vaguely amusing compared to someone who looks like he should be in a care home
I couldn’t care less and I have no opinion on him. He was elected democratically and then unelected im not really interested
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It's clear what the similarities are but you seem unable to explain your claim that it is spurious.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Well let’s see
1937
Hitler decides there is a high number of ethnic Germans on Czechoslovak soil who are ‘being oppressed’
Hitler demands the territory be handed over
Munich agreement is signed bowing to the demand but does nothing except give Germany a head start on the subsequent invasion
2022
Putin complains of mistreatment of Russians in Donetsk and Luhansk
Putin invades from 3 directions under the aim of ‘liberating’ the oppressed Russians
Grendel proposes giving him what he wants and calls it spurious to make the same comparison as the head of the army
Let him crack on with it you said. How would things have turned out if we did?
Grendel
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ok I don’t see any so what similarities do you see?
Grendel
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Russia have been for years declaring Ukrainian territory as Russian and when invading the much disputed Crimea I can’t remember a peep from you about that or other attempts to take over Donbass
Hitler had armed himself to the hilt and was preparing for a conquest of Europe - he also operated in an era where certain other nations had dictators with equal dubious intent
We have no formal treaty or legal obligation to Ukraine
NATO didn’t then exist - there was not a huge committed military alliance of nations who are signed up to protect each other
Hitler didn’t have nuclear weapons
The US had zero interest in Hitler - they have most certainly a huge interest in Mr Putin
Putin and his army is weak and has no capacity for a European invasion
China in economic strategic and political terms was non existent then and most certainly isn’t now
I think you are sitting in the 1930’s the only threat to global peace is if we actively defend a non NATO country which would open up a huge can of worms and potential dangers
shmmeee
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Russian forces withdraw from Snake Island, strategically very important. Apparently as a result of Western missile systems.
Though Russia claim they are leaving as a goodwill gesture
Great news. It’s strategically important if Russia want to take the south coast ports from what I understand.
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Amazing in light of all the evidence that you can't see he was terrible. Telling people to inject bleach alone is enough.