Evil Fuckers (13 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I went on internet safety training some years ago. One of the things the trainer said that as a society we just handed over access to the internet to our kids - without any real thought about how this might develop. They can occupy whole worlds that parents have no access to or knowledge of.

I’d go as far as to say it’s taken children’s innocence away considering how young some are when handed a smartphone without much restriction. Open to all kinds of things and a parent won’t realise.

The kind of bullying that happens now will only turn physical at the end of harassment on whatever social media platforms someone’s on. Some of the stuff I’ve seen in my school from Year 7 alone would genuinely shock you.

 

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[Sick Boy]

I’d go as far as to say it’s taken children’s innocence away considering how young some are when handed a smartphone without much restriction. Open to all kinds of things and a parent won’t realise.

The kind of bullying that happens now will only turn physical at the end of harassment on whatever social media platforms someone’s on. Some of the stuff I’ve seen in my school from Year 7 alone would genuinely shock you.

When I was at school 2 year 7s smashed each other with rounders bats and broken each other’s noses, it’s always been there.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yes seems two two involved from the school were highly accurate in assessment but as ever social workers were, well just tardy.

My own experience is risk is dealt with very poorly indeed

 

[Grendel]

Grim

Woman accused of murdering baby she was hoping to adopt stands trial

Laura Castle, 38, and her husband Scott Castle, 35, are accused of killing one-year-old Leiland-James Corkill after his mother allegedly inflicted a serious head injury at the family home in Eskdale Avenue.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[fernandopartridge]

Grim

Woman accused of murdering baby she was hoping to adopt stands trial

Laura Castle, 38, and her husband Scott Castle, 35, are accused of killing one-year-old Leiland-James Corkill after his mother allegedly inflicted a serious head injury at the family home in Eskdale Avenue.

www.dailymail.co.uk

What's worse is that she obviously recognised she was doing wrong, if the fostering wasn't working she should have just contacted social services and allowed them to find somebody else

 

[Grendel]

Lovely - lock up your children she’s coming out

Baby P: Tracey Connelly set to be released from prison after government challenge rejected

Baby P was found dead in his cot in 2007 having suffered catastrophic injuries and his mother was jailed for allowing his death, while her lover and their lodger were also convicted.

news.sky.com

 

[fernandopartridge]

Lovely - lock up your children she’s coming out

Baby P: Tracey Connelly set to be released from prison after government challenge rejected

Baby P was found dead in his cot in 2007 having suffered catastrophic injuries and his mother was jailed for allowing his death, while her lover and their lodger were also convicted.

news.sky.com

This is all very well choreographed for the minister to try and claim greater power, far more worrying than her release from jail

 

[Grendel]

Well another charming incident - possibly the worst yet - another failure of the social services system - and this delightful trio will possibly one day experience freedom again no doubt in the teenage nut jobs case with a new identity at tax payer expense

Logan Mwangi murder: Mum, stepdad and teen sentenced - BBC News

A judge says the attack on the "defenceless" Logan Mwangi was "nothing short of horrifying".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Nick]

Saw that, the bloke was from Cov.

How the fuck can a 13-14 year old be involved with something like that.

 

[Grendel]

Saw that, the bloke was from Cov.

How the fuck can a 13-14 year old be involved with something like that.

Well his history shows he’s a serial killer in the making - animal torture obsessed with murder and death but hey total surprise to social services.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

Saw that, the bloke was from Cov.

How the fuck can a 13-14 year old be involved with something like that.

Weird thing is he was with his step dad and his partner so he's not even his kid. The programme about it last night was really sad.

 

[Nick]

Well his history shows he’s a serial killer in the making - animal torture obsessed with murder and death but hey total surprise to social services.

I didn't know that, yeah he is clearly fucked up.

Get him put down and save everybody the bother.

 

[SBT]

Well another charming incident - possibly the worst yet - another failure of the social services system - and this delightful trio will possibly one day experience freedom again no doubt in the teenage nut jobs case with a new identity at tax payer expense

Logan Mwangi murder: Mum, stepdad and teen sentenced - BBC News

A judge says the attack on the "defenceless" Logan Mwangi was "nothing short of horrifying".

www.bbc.co.uk

What would you suggest - lock the 14 year old up for life, or just murder him as well?

 

[Grendel]

What would you suggest - lock the 14 year old up for life, or just murder him as well?

Would you release him? How did that work with Mr Venables? If he was a dog he’s be put down - he’s worse than a dog.

 

[SBT]

Would you release him? How did that work with Mr Venables? If he was a dog he’s be put down - he’s worse than a dog.

I think the British legal system would be pretty clear in giving him more rights than a dog. And executing a deranged 14 year-old boy who's been raised by two murderers wouldn't even fly in Iran.

I think it's pretty clear that he should be either imprisoned or under close psychiatric evaluation (if not both) for most of his life until it can be proved he's no longer a danger to society.

 

[Nick]

I think the British legal system would be pretty clear in giving him more rights than a dog. And executing a deranged 14 year-old boy who's been raised by two murderers wouldn't even fly in Iran.

I think it's pretty clear that he should be either imprisoned or under close psychiatric evaluation (if not both) for most of his life until it can be proved he's no longer a danger to society.

Venables was no longer a danger according to the British Legal System.

 

[SBT]

Venables was no longer a danger according to the British Legal System.

Clearly an appalling error of judgment. Would you rather that same legal system was permitted to execute children, and just hope we don't get the same kind of errors?

 

[Nick]

Clearly an appalling error of judgment. Would you rather that same legal system was permitted to execute children, and just hope we don't get the same kind of errors?

It would depend on the circumstances and the child.

Not just children, adults too.

Sometimes there are just absolute wrong uns which can never be changed.

 

[SBT]

It would depend on the circumstances and the child.

Not just children, adults too.

Sometimes there are just absolute wrong uns which can never be changed.

Like the Birmingham Six, for example?

 

[Nick]

Like the Birmingham Six, for example?

It would depend on the evidence and the strength of the conviction.

Whilst I have no doubt there are still miscarriages of justice, with advances in DNA etc it's a lot different to the 70s now.

 

[shmmeee]

It would depend on the evidence and the strength of the conviction.

Whilst I have no doubt there are still miscarriages of justice, with advances in DNA etc it's a lot different to the 70s now.

What do you mean by strength of conviction? People are either guilty beyond any reasonable doubt or they aren’t. Last person who had their murder conviction overturned was 2005 BTW.

 

[SBT]

It would depend on the evidence and the strength of the conviction.

Whilst I have no doubt there are still miscarriages of justice, with advances in DNA etc it's a lot different to the 70s now.

Ah yes, the days of the police getting things wrong are thankfully long behind us.

 

[Nick]

Ah yes, the days of the police getting things wrong are thankfully long behind us.

Read what I said.

 

[SBT]

Read what I said.

So in this particular case you're satisfied the burden of proof has met and we're safe to go ahead with this 14 year-old and "get him put down"?

 

[Nick]

So in this particular case you're satisfied the burden of proof has met and we're safe to go ahead with this 14 year-old and "get him put down"?

Yeah fuck it. I'd sleep fine tonight if he was taken out the back and put down like the other 2.

 

[no_loyalty]

Well another charming incident - possibly the worst yet - another failure of the social services system - and this delightful trio will possibly one day experience freedom again no doubt in the teenage nut jobs case with a new identity at tax payer expense

Logan Mwangi murder: Mum, stepdad and teen sentenced - BBC News

A judge says the attack on the "defenceless" Logan Mwangi was "nothing short of horrifying".

www.bbc.co.uk

I watched the documentary on itv last night and it was absolutely horrific.

 

[Grendel]

What do you mean by strength of conviction? People are either guilty beyond any reasonable doubt or they aren’t. Last person who had their murder conviction overturned was 2005 BTW.

I believe you’ve suggested chemical castration for sex offenders. I’m sure that’s a pretty right wing approach

 

[Grendel]

Like the Birmingham Six, for example?

So you think these 3 are innocent and it’s a miscarriage of Justice

 

[shmmeee]

I believe you’ve suggested chemical castration for sex offenders. I’m sure that’s a pretty right wing approach

If it works I’d be more open to it than the death penalty, sperm can be frozen, etc. I have no idea if it works.

Not sure what left or right wing has to do with it. It’s the biggest intervention a government can make arguably.

 

[SBT]

So you think these 3 are innocent and it’s a miscarriage of Justice

Not from what I've read, but that clearly wasn't my point.

 

[Grendel]

Not from what I've read, but that clearly wasn't my point.

Well dredging up the 70’s is not much of a point regarding this is it

 

[SBT]

Well dredging up the 70’s is not much of a point regarding this is it

So miscarriages of justice are no longer possible?

 

[Grendel]

So miscarriages of justice are no longer possible?

so that’s the issue you have with the death penalty?

 

[shmmeee]

Sad that this thread has been derailed, but the problem with the death penalty really is that the only thing going for it is satisfying blood lust. Doesn’t prevent crime, doesn’t save money, can end up killing innocent people.

 

[Nick]

Sad that this thread has been derailed, but the problem with the death penalty really is that the only thing going for it is satisfying blood lust. Doesn’t prevent crime, doesn’t save money, can end up killing innocent people.

It would save money.

To keep that 14 year old in for life it could be in the millions.