Transfer Shouts (22 Viewers)

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Exactly my point.

Pretty sure he said nobody in January but "Bidwell became available".

Wasn't that on the basis of: if no one is moved out then no incomings will come in, rather than, there will be no incomings regardless of outgoings.

 

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

You only have to look on social media to see how wide of the mark fans are around finances. They seem to think 15000 crowds, 12000 season tickets and shirts sales should have converted us into a buying club. Their expectation on those figures are unrealistic. For instance a large demographic of our fan base buying an early bird season ticket will be contributing £12 a game per person. Great value for the fan but that explains one reason why the budgets are tight.

The thing with that is that there are plenty of other clubs with similar or lower gates to us, yet who seem to have more ability in the transfer market than we do.

It's probable that they're just overextending themselves to a greater degree than we are, but if we continue to do that in perpetuity it will eventually only lead to us slipping down again. We brought in the likes of Gyo, Hamer, O'Hare and Sheaf and may now be able to reap a significant reward for that if we sell them. So surely the incentive for SISU to continue that is there.

It could well be that wages are the bigger problem than fees, having to now pay much higher wages to get hold of Championship ready players.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

I think you vastly over exaggerate the difference money from season tickets makes on the budget. We have signed all our best player to much bigger salaries and the fringe players were not earning combined what o’hare earns.

Next season will be the big rebuild I feel.

Yeah I'd imagine we probably only increased turnover by around £1m due to the increase in STs.

The significance they have on the budget is in reality vastly overstated.

 

[SBT]

Yep because there is no such thing as a loan fee or wages to a loan signing, we get them for free

So to be clear, you think that four loan signings would cost us just as much as four permanent signings?

 

[mr_monkey]

So to be clear, you think that four loan signings would cost us just as much as four permanent signings?

Depends on the quality of the signings doesn't it, a shit perm player may cost less than a good loan player when you factor everything in

 

[SBT]

Depends on the quality of the signings doesn't it, a shit perm player may cost less than a good loan player when you factor everything in

The point is that last season we apparently had enough money to bring in several good players on permanent deals. Those same players contribute year on year and can be later sold for a profit. Apparently that isn’t the case this year, but you’re apparently fine with that?

 

[Hobo]

It hardly has to be spend nothing or spend £120 million does it.

An average of 5 signings have been per club . And so far at an average fee of around £750k per player

I remember a time when you advocated not spending money on players. Transfer fees were a waste of money? It was no guarantee of success.

In many ways you are right.

For me this window it is clear we are looking to bring players in. Okay on a limited budget, but every budget has limits.

There is nothing to prove we have lost out on two of our targets due to money.

The transfer market is fluid and changes from day to day. Who isnt available today can change tomorrow. Every player coming in and going out changes the picture of what finances are available and what is required positionally. Long term injuries picked up can change it again.

I dont think we have missed out on much so far, the market is slow. People are getting too caught up in speculation.

 

[mr_monkey]

The point is that last season we apparently had enough money to bring in several good players on permanent deals. Those same players contribute year on year and can be later sold for a profit. Apparently that isn’t the case this year, but you’re apparently fine with that?

But we have spent money, we've given new contracts to O'Hare and Hamer, brought in palmer who I bet wasn't cheap, could have afforded JCS and the guy from man city (they just unfortunately chose to go elsewhere)

I would also guess that we are also looking at better quality loans which again will cost us more money in loan fees and wages than previous years so no I'm not pissing myself at the "lack" of money being spent because it's just not true

 

[Grendel]

But we have spent money, we've given new contracts to O'Hare and Hamer, brought in palmer who I bet wasn't cheap, could have afforded JCS and the guy from man city (they just unfortunately chose to go elsewhere)

I would also guess that we are also looking at better quality loans which again will cost us more money in loan fees and wages that begins so no I'm not pissing myself at the "lack" of money being spent because it's just not true

Our wage contribution to loan players when they are playing will be less. That’s also the issue and why we couldn’t bring in a loan striker.

They cost very little compared to full signings and also obviously offer zero resell opportunities

 

[cooperskyblue]

We also were planning JCS who would have been a permanent so clearly we are using the budget that was going on him on other targets.

 

[Deity]

We also were planning JCS who would have been a permanent so clearly we are using the budget that was going on him on other targets.

I think they thought JCS was an outside bet

 

[ceetee]

People complained that we gave three year contracts to players who turned out to be duds. People now complaining that we may bring in loans which are a only a 1 season commitment

 

[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

People complained that we gave three year contracts to players who turned out to be duds. People now complaining that we may bring in loans which are a only a 1 season commitment

Just need to sign quality on 2 year deals and it will be fine

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

If a summer of record season ticket sales, plus an extensive clearing of the decks of fringe first team players is only enough to secure one permanent signing all summer, then that’s very concerning indeed.

The situation is concerning of course as it has been for the last 10 years

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

If a summer of record season ticket sales, plus an extensive clearing of the decks of fringe first team players is only enough to secure one permanent signing all summer, then that’s very concerning indeed.

The players that have been moved on haven't freed up a great deal of budget though. Pask, Jones, Drysdale and even Shipley all would've been relatively low earners.

 

[CovBrummie94]

I have no problem with us bringing in 4 loan signings if they fill the glaring holes in our defence.

I'm more than happy to keep hold of our main players if it means we have to settle for loans for 1 season.

Would still like to see Walker and Waghorn moved on to free up wages but can't see it happening.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

People complained that we gave three year contracts to players who turned out to be duds. People now complaining that we may bring in loans which are a only a 1 season commitment

A three year contract is why we're not scrambling in panic to sell Gyokeres or Sheaf this season, too...

 

[long way home]

If we get 3 or 4 loans in over the next few weeks, then the only way more will come in is on the 1 out 1 in basis. Id be happy to keep the 4 best players, add loans and let MR wheel and deal until Jan comes round. In fact i think that is the best we can hope for.

 

[CDK]

I have no problem with us bringing in 4 loan signings if they fill the glaring holes in our defence.

I'm more than happy to keep hold of our main players if it means we have to settle for loans for 1 season.

Would still like to see Walker and Waghorn moved on to free up wages but can't see it happening.

Can see the waghorns and the walkers being overlooked with the likes of Tavares as he on the pitch is hungry for the ball which is a great starting point.Oh and believe he will score more unless the 2guys pull there finger out.

 

[skyblueinswansea]

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What awful hair! And that’s coming from someone follically challenged

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Just need to sign quality on 2 year deals and it will be fine

Nah. Then after one year you're left with either having to offer them a new deal or sell them so they can't end up leaving on a free in a year.

Maybe a 2+1 in the clubs favour would be a better deal, but with a decent wage increase for that +1 so it's appealing to both the club and the player.

 

[shmmeee]

Nah. Then after one year you're left with either having to offer them a new deal or sell them so they can't end up leaving on a free in a year.

Maybe a 2+1 in the clubs favour would be a better deal, but with a decent wage increase for that +1 so it's appealing to both the club and the player.

Can’t see any of layer under 30 going for a 2+1 unless they’re having real trouble finding a contract TBH.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

If we get 3 or 4 loans in over the next few weeks, then the only way more will come in is on the 1 out 1 in basis. Id be happy to keep the 4 best players, add loans and let MR wheel and deal until Jan comes round. In fact i think that is the best we can hope for.

It won't be one in, one out though.

If any players move on it'll only be on loan and the club would still have to shoulder a significant proportion of their wages.

 

[djr8369]

The players that have been moved on haven't freed up a great deal of budget though. Pask, Jones, Drysdale and even Shipley all would've been relatively low earners.

Fair point. I doubt between they’d even cover Palmers wages?

 

[Deleted member 9744]

I have no problem with us bringing in 4 loan signings if they fill the glaring holes in our defence.

I'm more than happy to keep hold of our main players if it means we have to settle for loans for 1 season.

Would still like to see Walker and Waghorn moved on to free up wages but can't see it happening.

We do need cover for the striker positions. Obviously both Walker and Waghorn have been very disappointing but I feel we need to keep one and I would prefer it to be Walker as he has potential to be a Championship player if he develops parts of his game.

Maybe Waghorn will be better this season but I didn't see much last year to instil confidence. Maybe covid and injuries were the issue but I wonder if it is just his best days are behind him.

 

[Skybluebeliever]

If a summer of record season ticket sales, plus an extensive clearing of the decks of fringe first team players is only enough to secure one permanent signing all summer, then that’s very concerning indeed.

I think the clearing of the decks needs to be Waghorn and Walker and perhaps Kane to make significant changes to the squad

 

[Skybluebeliever]

So to be clear, you think that four loan signings would cost us just as much as four permanent signings?

It depends if there are clauses/penalties if those loan players don’t play enough games

I think they could be younger players in mainly premiership clubs ,so the % we have to pay could be relatively low

 

[Tea & Busquets]

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i had shouted him a while back on here, would love him

 

[SleepyGinger]

I think the clearing of the decks needs to be Waghorn and Walker and perhaps Kane to make significant changes to the squad

Are the club expecting to keep everyone then? If we don’t lose anyone and replace Maatsen and JCS with loans I think we’ll be strong next year.

 

[Tea & Busquets]

Romain Sawyers to Cardiff, great signing. How many more players we think they’ll sign? They’ve been doing some great business. Derby also signing some great older players, looks like they’ll bounce back up.

 

[long way home]

Some loans can be done with a figure set on a perm deal, like sheaf. I would think that is something MR would use as its worked before. Other than that depending on the players who are sold or loaned out, will have a massive effect on who and type of deal that comes in.

Kane, Walker, Waghorn and Kelly could still be moved on. I would imagine how the younger players perform over next few weeks will be a big factor in that decision.

 

[SBT]

It depends if there are clauses/penalties if those loan players don’t play enough games

I think they could be younger players in mainly premiership clubs ,so the % we have to pay could be relatively low

So the cost of loaning, say, Ben Sheaf could ultimately be the same as buying Ben Sheaf if we didn’t satisfy the parent club’s loan conditions? That seems pretty tough.

 

[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

So the cost of loaning, say, Ben Sheaf could ultimately be the same as buying Ben Sheaf if we didn’t satisfy the parent club’s loan conditions? That seems pretty tough.

Only if they turn out to be shit, if they aren’t very good and we dont play as well with them in the team then take the penalty and perform better I think, you can say how many games you are going to give them whilst not knowing how they matchup fully against the rest of your team, but you never know if they’ll actually fit in

 

[SBT]

Last summer we signed Gyokeres and Sheaf on permanent deals

The summer before that we signed Hamer and O’Hare

Today they’re all foundational parts of our team, and if we sold any of them we’d get a significant return. As far as progressing the quality of the squad, it’s been an exciting and promising couple of years.

This summer we’re signing Kasey Palmer and in terms of permanent deals that’s apparently it. Even if he’s a smash hit (and I hope he is) it seems like the progress is becoming more incremental?

 

[SkyBlueGuy]

We do need cover for the striker positions. Obviously both Walker and Waghorn have been very disappointing but I feel we need to keep one and I would prefer it to be Walker as he has potential to be a Championship player if he develops parts of his game.

Maybe Waghorn will be better this season but I didn't see much last year to instil confidence. Maybe covid and injuries were the issue but I wonder if it is just his best days are behind him.

Whilst I do understand fans opinion that maybe it's not going to work out with Walker, he was our tip scorer the season before. That was without being fully fit or first choice for the whole season. This season was a bit of a bust. I sort of whish he'd stayed with us instead of loaning out. He would have had chances, and he's proved he can score at this level. It would be typical Cov for him to hit a purple patch this year then leave on a free!