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Fucking Stoke audience (half of them at least) giving Sunak a round of applause for awarding Johnson 10/10 for his performance as PM 🤮

They deserve Gullis.
 
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And now we all know his family had a chemist shop and he used to help after school and weekends. Overplayed this one I think.
 
stupot07

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Sbarcher said:
And now we all know his family had a chemist shop and he used to help after school and weekends. Overplayed this one I think.
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Doesn't like to also mention that his dad was a GP and they moved into a 6 bed house after having their first child. Man of the people.

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shmmeee

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Very disappointing on climate and the NHS, though considering the audience I can see why. But cutting food waste and recycling is more the script from a 1990s Blue Peter appeal than it is a serious plan for climate action.

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Doesn't like to also mention that his dad was a GP and they moved into a 6 bed house after having their first child. Man of the people.

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Dad was a GP mum was a pharmacist, Sunak talks about “working in the shop” like he was stacking shelves.

Pretending he’s not going to be the richest PM ever is just silly, we all know he’s minted
 
clint van damme

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shmmeee said:
Very disappointing on climate and the NHS, though considering the audience I can see why. But cutting food waste and recycling is more the script from a 1990s Blue Peter appeal than it is a serious plan for climate action.



Dad was a GP mum was a pharmacist, Sunak talks about “working in the shop” like he was stacking shelves.

Pretending he’s not going to be the richest PM ever is just silly, we all know he’s minted
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Whoever becomes PM is going to be presented with the plan for a NHS recruited drive to fill the 12k staff shortage.
How is Truss going to fund that if she scraps the NI rise?

She's also said EU climate laws are going.

I'm no fan of Sunak but he'd be my preference but I think he's blown it.
 
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clint van damme said:
Whoever becomes PM is going to be presented with the plan for a NHS recruited drive to fill the 12k staff shortage.
How is Truss going to fund that if she scraps the NI rise?

She's also said EU climate laws are going.

I'm no fan of Sunak but he'd be my preference but I think he's blown it.
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He was already behind but agree, im not sure last night would’ve helped claw back much of the gap. People say he’s too polished, I’ve never seen it that way, to me he can come across as this excitable, slightly cheesy, nerd. I don’t mind that though

I’ve said before I’d certainly take that, plus apparently hard working and genuine…well, as much as a politician can be…over what we’ve had recently and certainly over truss

Hers to lose though
 
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clint van damme said:
Whoever becomes PM is going to be presented with the plan for a NHS recruited drive to fill the 12k staff shortage.
How is Truss going to fund that if she scraps the NI rise?

She's also said EU climate laws are going.

I'm no fan of Sunak but he'd be my preference but I think he's blown it.
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Not sure he ever had it, unfortunately, so has always had to go hard in the hope it pulled people towards him.
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He was already behind but agree, im not sure last night would’ve helped claw back much of the gap. People say he’s too polished, I’ve never seen it that way, to me he can come across as this excitable, slightly cheesy, nerd. I don’t mind that though

I’ve said before I’d certainly take that, plus apparently hard working and genuine…well, as much as a politician can be…over what we’ve had recently and certainly over truss

Hers to lose though
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He's not going to get a place in her cabinet either, is he. It's going to be Rees-Mogg and Dorries in, Sunak out.

Question is will the likes of Javid swallow their pride and join it, if they're offered the chance...?

And this is where politics on both sides has become bloody stupid. It used to be you could healthily disagree, but still have a place in cabinet because you were halfway competent unless those differences became untenable. Now, it's which side you pick at a leadership election!
 
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I don’t get why she kept repeating the line about going to a crap comp during the Thatcher era and Sunak doubled down by calling it the era of high inflation. They aren’t both that thick are they?

Also frustrating that the clown has hijacked what has been Labour ideology for years in wanting to invest outside London and the Gullis voters just immediately believed him. A good programme for showing how screwed the country is
 
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clint van damme said:
Whoever becomes PM is going to be presented with the plan for a NHS recruited drive to fill the 12k staff shortage.
How is Truss going to fund that if she scraps the NI rise?

She's also said EU climate laws are going.

I'm no fan of Sunak but he'd be my preference but I think he's blown it.
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It's quite something when you're there wanting someone like Rishi Sunak to win a contest.

I mean, whoever it is is a bad choice.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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CCFCSteve said:
He was already behind but agree, im not sure last night would’ve helped claw back much of the gap. People say he’s too polished, I’ve never seen it that way, to me he can come across as this excitable, slightly cheesy, nerd. I don’t mind that though

I’ve said before I’d certainly take that, plus apparently hard working and genuine…well, as much as a politician can be…over what we’ve had recently and certainly over truss

Hers to lose though
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He's certainly not polished when someone takes him to task on stuff. Has a very entitled 'how dare you question me!' air about him.
 
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PVA said:
A bit like when Dominic Raab only came to realise the significance of Dover-Calais when he became Brexit secretary.
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Speaking of him it was odd that they chose to remind the public of him writing a chapter on what the Tories really think of working people.
 
Alan Dugdales Moustache

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I turned the debate off after a bit because I was sick to death of Sunak interrupting. He really is full of it. As for his reference to his parents owning a chemist and he working there well he had as head start on the rest of us.
 
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PVA

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It doesn't really matter now I guess he's on the way out anyway.

But I said at the time this fucking stinks and it's clear the Met are in bed with the government


 
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What I don't get is why you'd scrap a commitment to nationalise rail and public utilities. You can always claim fiscal responsibility for not doing it in a particular year, but it wouldn't even be a particularly unpopular policy in all but the most diehard righty voters - and they wouldn't vote Labour anyway, so why pander to them?

The only reason privitisation of them happened in the first place was ideology and a big majority to push them through, they were never vote winners on their own!
 
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What I don't get is why you'd scrap a commitment to nationalise rail and public utilities. You can always claim fiscal responsibility for not doing it in a particular year, but it wouldn't even be a particularly unpopular policy in all but the most diehard righty voters - and they wouldn't vote Labour anyway, so why pander to them?

The only reason privitisation of them happened in the first place was ideology and a big majority to push them through, they were never vote winners on their own!
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Give us Andy 'What About Manchester' Burnham now please
 
shmmeee

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What I don't get is why you'd scrap a commitment to nationalise rail and public utilities. You can always claim fiscal responsibility for not doing it in a particular year, but it wouldn't even be a particularly unpopular policy in all but the most diehard righty voters - and they wouldn't vote Labour anyway, so why pander to them?

The only reason privitisation of them happened in the first place was ideology and a big majority to push them through, they were never vote winners on their own!
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Because you’ll get endless “is this the best use of £x hundred billion when families can’t pay their leccy bill?” Questions.

The problem with Corbyns manifesto wasn’t that individual policies were unpopular it was that combined they promised to spend an eye watering amount and people couldn’t believe it.

Frankly if it’s not cost of living, climate, crime, health, education id scrap it right now. Keep the focus on a few simple policies you know everyone can defend.
 
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shmmeee said:
Because you’ll get endless “is this the best use of £x hundred billion when families can’t pay their leccy bill?” Questions.

The problem with Corbyns manifesto wasn’t that individual policies were unpopular it was that combined they promised to spend an eye watering amount and people couldn’t believe it.

Frankly if it’s not cost of living, climate, crime, health, education id scrap it right now. Keep the focus on a few simple policies you know everyone can defend.
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I'd say bringing rail, water and power back into public ownership is the best way to deal with cost of living. Set a power tarrif lower than the price cap, win votes by going populist and saying British profits for British people, borrow against future profits when said utilities make money again when subsidy no longer needed.
 
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Oh and it's horrible to use such examples, but rationing and repairing bombed cities didn't stop the NHS and welfare state from being set up.
 
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