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shmmeee

shmmeee

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Ed Miliband looks a bit funny eating a bacon sandwich - unelectable.
Cameron eats a hot dog with a knife and fork - perfectly normal.
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TBF to him Ed was up against probably the best opposition any Labour leader has faced since Thatcher, freshly detoxified from coalition with the Lib Dems. Shit like the EdStone and “hell yes I’m tuss enuss” didn’t help, but I don’t doubt it would have been a lot closer against May or Johnson.
 
jimmyhillsfanclub

jimmyhillsfanclub

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shmmeee said:
TBF to him Ed was up against probably the best opposition any Labour leader has faced since Thatcher, freshly detoxified from coalition with the Lib Dems. Shit like the EdStone and “hell yes I’m tuss enuss” didn’t help, but I don’t doubt it would have been a lot closer against May or Johnson.
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There was also a fair chunk of the population (press) that believed he wasn't even the best Milliband...
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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shmmeee said:
TBF to him Ed was up against probably the best opposition any Labour leader has faced since Thatcher, freshly detoxified from coalition with the Lib Dems. Shit like the EdStone and “hell yes I’m tuss enuss” didn’t help, but I don’t doubt it would have been a lot closer against May or Johnson.
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Well that and sacrificing 40 Scottish seats on the alter of the indyref the year before which then allowed the Tories to pick up a lot of the Lib Dem seats on the back of SNP scaremongering. Cameron was I think genuinely surprised by the result.

One will always wonder how the other Miliband would have fared
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well that and sacrificing 40 Scottish seats on the alter of the indyref the year before which then allowed the Tories to pick up a lot of the Lib Dem seats on the back of SNP scaremongering. Cameron was I think genuinely surprised by the result.

One will always wonder how the other Miliband would have fared
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Honesty I don’t think he’d have done much better. The Tories hasn’t been in power for 18 years and seemed a lot more moderate. Also things like the banana pic suggest he’d have had a few gaffes of his own, plus all the same “scary Marxist dad” attacks obviously.

I’ve seen nothing from David in either policy or personality terms to back up the idea he was some kind of electoral messiah. Though TBF I joined during Millibands leadership and David pretty much vanished once he lose.

I think between the SNP, Cameron, the need for change, and the looming Brexit vote promise, 2015 was a much harder election for Labour than is often recognised
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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shmmeee said:
Honesty I don’t think he’d have done much better. The Tories hasn’t been in power for 18 years and seemed a lot more moderate. Also things like the banana pic suggest he’d have had a few gaffes of his own, plus all the same “scary Marxist dad” attacks obviously.

I’ve seen nothing from David in either policy or personality terms to back up the idea he was some kind of electoral messiah. Though TBF I joined during Millibands leadership and David pretty much vanished once he lose.

I think between the SNP, Cameron, the need for change, and the looming Brexit vote promise, 2015 was a much harder election for Labour than is often recognised
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Perhaps, but he just came over like Pitt the Younger from Blackadder getting bullied by pretty much anyone. In the debates the audience just seemed to feel sorry for him. Against someone who was probably in charge of the Eton toast racks it just looked embarrassing.
 
fernandopartridge

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shmmeee said:
TBF to him Ed was up against probably the best opposition any Labour leader has faced since Thatcher, freshly detoxified from coalition with the Lib Dems. Shit like the EdStone and “hell yes I’m tuss enuss” didn’t help, but I don’t doubt it would have been a lot closer against May or Johnson.
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I don't think Cameron was particularly popular, I can't remember now how much was made of the Tory manifesto commitment to the EU referendum
 
fernandopartridge

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Perhaps, but he just came over like Pitt the Younger from Blackadder getting bullied by pretty much anyone. In the debates the audience just seemed to feel sorry for him. Against someone who was probably in charge of the Eton toast racks it just looked embarrassing.
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His delivery isn't good and you're right, he sounds exactly like Pitt the Younger. What he says is generally OK though imo.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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fernandopartridge said:
I don't think Cameron was particularly popular, I can't remember now how much was made of the Tory manifesto commitment to the EU referendum
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It was the start of coalescing the right around Brexit so meant a more unified party. Before they won and realised it was all bollocks.

I think the general position was the coalition was “OK” and Labour had only been out of power for five minutes. I’m not sure anyone expected the LDs to collapse quite like they did either. But generally I don’t think the country was in the mood for a Labour govt.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Perhaps, but he just came over like Pitt the Younger from Blackadder getting bullied by pretty much anyone. In the debates the audience just seemed to feel sorry for him. Against someone who was probably in charge of the Eton toast racks it just looked embarrassing.
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Yeah generally he was pretty awful and looked a lot better after he resigned. I’m not saying Milliband was great, just that I think he was up against a better electoral machine than Corbyn was or Starmer will be
 
Liquid Gold

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shmmeee said:
Yeah generally he was pretty awful and looked a lot better after he resigned. I’m not saying Milliband was great, just that I think he was up against a better electoral machine than Corbyn was or Starmer will be
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I also think Miliband suffered from his advisors trying to make him into something he wasn't in the same way they did Brown.

Instead of focusing on their qualities they tried to push characteristics that were deemed as popular but they both came over looking insincere and that is a right turn off.

It's no coincidence they both look better without that media management.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Liquid Gold said:
I also think Miliband suffered from his advisors trying to make him into something he wasn't in the same way they did Brown.

Instead of focusing on their qualities they tried to push characteristics that were deemed as popular but they both came over looking insincere and that is a right turn off.

It's no coincidence they both look better without that media management.
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I think the self appointed adults in the party weren’t capable of moving past Blair or seeing the shift away from liberalism happening post GFC.
 
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fernandopartridge said:
I don't think Cameron was particularly popular, I can't remember now how much was made of the Tory manifesto commitment to the EU referendum
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I'd always thought that was put in to stop his party bickering, and he expected another coalition so no real need to end up doing it.
 
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Liquid Gold said:
I also think Miliband suffered from his advisors trying to make him into something he wasn't in the same way they did Brown.

Instead of focusing on their qualities they tried to push characteristics that were deemed as popular but they both came over looking insincere and that is a right turn off.

It's no coincidence they both look better without that media management.
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Still the same
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Liquid Gold said:
I also think Miliband suffered from his advisors trying to make him into something he wasn't in the same way they did Brown.

Instead of focusing on their qualities they tried to push characteristics that were deemed as popular but they both came over looking insincere and that is a right turn off.

It's no coincidence they both look better without that media management.
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Same could still be said of Corbyn and Starmer. Don't give off a coherent message because they're being told to do conflicting things to appeal to different people, and in the end pleasing no-one and making them look less electable.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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It should be about the substance and not delivery in any case, but that's not how this country works sadly
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Only bright spot of this is that Liz looks likely to win the Tory leadership and she got awful delivery. Though I'm sure it'll get spun as her being more 'normal' and like the rest of 'us'. Wheareas same traits in a Labour leader would be 'look at how incompetent they are!"
 
David O'Day

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the us midterms could be interesting

republicans down in races they would think they should win

seems the anyone but trump coalition could be the anyone trump and people like trump coalition
 
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