Dom Hyam - Blackburn bid ? (5 Viewers)

[Liquid Gold]

People forget that in the summer of the St Andrews move the club would've received the second instalment from McNulty, sold both Chaplin and Bayliss as well as McCallum in January.

Conversely, the club hasn't received a windfall from a player sale/sell-on clause since Wilson was sold two years ago.

It's fairly obvious why the club is now struggling.

We were profiting on player sales and buying players and funding the club with the proceeds

But as with my earlier post, we weren't just funding the club we were funding the squad.

The latter appears to have been dropped and we're making the squad worse.

 

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[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

If they sell an ever present first team player and not replace them then yes.

This is very much a clutch take on the definition of asset-stripping. We would be selling 'an' asset. Not asset stripping.

 

[Nick]

If they sell an ever present first team player and not replace them then yes.

That's not what asset stripping is.

 

[Alkhen]

Well Stoke has fallen through for them, you think Sunderland will be an option?

??? what are you on about ???

Earlier I mentioned I hoped Sunderland wouldnt come back in for Robins if the lose Neil.

Hoping a player or manager you like stays is very different from shitting it that they will and thinking any change will automatically lead to ruin

Might happen, might not but I'm not going to lose my mind with doom filled angst about potential outcomes. I actually think the club has been pretty well managed in recent years (stadium situation aside) since the League 2 relegation it has been year on year improvement. i'll just ride it out and see what happens. been fine so far

 

[Nick]

Perhaps we can put the money into the club and new contracts for Viktor, O’hare and Gus

Haven't they all had them?

 

[Matt smith]

Haven't they all had them?

Exactly

 

[shmmeee]

We need goals.

We already have a leaky defence, and we need to sell to stay afloat then Hyam goes.

I’m not happy like you are but if it’s a choice of a scorer, or a defender who at least several posters call out each week as too slow then Hyam it is.

It’s shit either way.

The problem isn’t short term it’s long.

We need to sell for enough profit to cover both the losses and a replacement and ideally another. If we don’t then squad quality declines. It’s like selling your car because you’re short of cash then having no way to get to work. It just isn’t sustainable.

The financial management of the club has been horrific, masked by a once in a generation manager and a pandemic.

To solve the problem of a high rent for the ground we’ve ended up bleeding millions, sowing distrust among fans, and sharing with a load of egg chasers who call the shots. We’ve invested virtually nothing in net terms in the playing squad, failed to sell players at their peak and failed to replace those we have sold with more potential.

If the manager falters or goes, we drop back pretty quickly to an average L1 side sharing our pitch with a bunch of buffaloes and in a ground far too big for us.

8 Fucking years they’ve had to sort this crap out and it’s about to chop the most successful manager of my lifetime off at the knees.

Sorry, went a bit off piste there.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

But as with my earlier post, we weren't just funding the club we were funding the squad.

The latter appears to have been dropped and we're making the squad worse.

In effect though we've been subsidising the squad the past couple of seasons. Covid won't have helped either.

Positively(!) we're doing something about it I guess, rather than clasping our hands and hoping for the best. It *might* put us in a better position than some in a season or two if we can ride it out.

 

[Liquid Gold]

People forget that in the summer of the St Andrews move the club would've received the second instalment from McNulty, sold both Chaplin and Bayliss as well as McCallum in January.

Conversely, the club hasn't received a windfall from a player sale/sell-on clause since Wilson was sold two years ago.

It's fairly obvious why the club is now struggling.

Also, the total of all of those sales is dwarfed by the extra money we get from championship broadcast rights alone before we consider record ticket sales, increased sponsorship revenue and record merchandise sales.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Also, the total of all of those sales is dwarfed by the extra money we get from championship broadcast rights alone before we consider record ticket sales, increased sponsorship revenue and record merchandise sales.

The likes of Bidwell, Walker, Moore, Hamer won't come cheap, though.

 

[rob9872]

I don't blame him. 5 years and no song. Even Kelly has a song. Even a reserve Fabio has a song, but Hyam, the one and only without a song.

 

[Nick]

The likes of Bidwell, Walker, Moore, Hamer won't come cheap, though.

Add in O'Hare and Gyo.

 

[shmmeee]

the problem is unlike in league one and league two it’s not easy to sell assets and replace them

If we really did turn down £5m for hamer its poor decision making. I suspect o hare was lined up to go as plan B and got crocked. No one seems actively to be pursuing Gyokeres.

our recruitment strategy frankly in the last two years has been poor as has contract extensions for players who are never going to play regularly. On a tight wage bill it’s proving an issue. We can’t afford to just have the likes of Kane and Walker seeing the contracts out, Kelly holidaying on a treatment table and the likes of palmer signing who has Amber flags everywhere. That’s not even starting with the likes of hillsner da Costa etc who were nonsense signings

Its not great. We really need to tough the season out

Its bigger all round isn’t it? Bigger cost of entry but far bigger pay offs as well. Seems Sisu just doesn’t have the stomach for that kind of investment.

We were always going to need 2-3 seasons to build a squad with enough talent to attract decent interest. But we seemed to throttle back last season and this instead of building a stock of decent young players were left with the likes of Kelly Waghorn and Kane sucking up a wage and going nowhere. I can forgive a foreign gamble if they’re cheap, but making players in the twilight of their careers some of our highest paid players was criminal.

 

[Liquid Gold]

if we can ride it out.

Surprised that wasn't on the season ticket marketing.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don't blame him. 5 years and no song. Even Kelly has a song. Even a reserve Fabio has a song, but Hyam, the one and only without a song.

'It's too short', since when has that ever mattered with the coked up choir?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

and this instead of building a stock of decent young players were left with the likes of Kelly Waghorn and Kane sucking up a wage and going nowhere.

Arguably that's the team manager's decision, mind you. And to a degree, who can blame him when whatever foundations he puts down, he'd have fans demanding his head if we struggled.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

On one of the podcasts he did can’t remember which one now, Boddy said that’s who we’re trying to emulate.

He mentioned Luton a few times too

 

[Deleted member 5849]

He mentioned Luton a few times too

Luton are another who, if their manager ever goes, might drop like a stone mind you. Not sure they're the best example to follow really, as it depends almost entirely on having the right man in charge to buck the system.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Is the club still for sale, a few weeks ago it was we are open for business, really hope they have found a buyer and are making a last minute sale.

 

[Liquid Gold]

This is very much a clutch take on the definition of asset-stripping. We would be selling 'an' asset. Not asset stripping.

That's not what asset stripping is.

Obviously not, I'm being hyperbolic.

Still doesn't make any sense to me to make your squad weaker, lose a valuable part of it and use that just to fund operating costs.

We need big sales and promising players coming in.

What we've got is mediocre sales of a solid player for no return.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

But as with my earlier post, we weren't just funding the club we were funding the squad.

The latter appears to have been dropped and we're making the squad worse.

Not really there was just far more room to manoeuvre in L1.

I'd imagine the fees paid for Kastaneer, Allen, Jobello, and Godden that year totalled around seven figures give or take. Profit on player sales for that year was £3,818,867, making up over a third of the £9,038,803 operating costs. Turnover was £5,103,493, but some of those losses were Covid induced as well which needs to be factored in.

Given the club's total operating costs now likely over £20m, you'd think that the club needs to bridge at least a quarter of that in order to come close to breaking even this season as I'd imagine turnover is estimated to be around £16m give or take. There's also transfer instalments which I assume have already been paid on Sheaf and Gyokeres to consider as well as other overheads - Ryton and CBS pitch improvements.

We're relying on player sales going much further which is always tricky when really investment into players is probably poorer than when we were in L1 - in relative terms that is - when competition and standards are much higher.

 

[usskyblue]

Obviously not, I'm being hyperbolic.

Still doesn't make any sense to me to make your squad weaker, lose a valuable part of it and use that just to fund operating costs.

We need big sales and promising players coming in.

What we've got is mediocre sales of a solid player for no return.

We are up for sale and desperately need to replace the funds from missing games and repairing a pitch that isn’t ours. Yes it’s shit but at the moment it seems to be about surviving long enough for SISU to sell… which the majority of people want. Not that I’m convinced that Jordan and his buddies will be much of an upgrade.

 

[Corrado]

Biggest season ticket sales In how long

shame we’ll all be witnessing a dog fight to stay in this division

I swear you have got to be a WUM with the amount of negativity you are posting over various threads. We have literally played 2 games this season and you have us down as being relegated. it's pathetic

 

[Liquid Gold]

Not really there was just far more room to manoeuvre in L1.

I'd imagine the fees paid for Kastaneer, Allen, Jobello, and Godden that year totalled around seven figures give or take. Profit on player sales for that year was £3,818,867, making up over a third of the £9,038,803 operating costs. Turnover was £5,103,493, but some of those losses were Covid induced as well which needs to be factored in.

Given the club's total operating costs now likely over £20m, you'd think that the club needs to bridge at least a quarter of that in order to come close to breaking even this season as I'd imagine turnover is estimated to be around £16m give or take.

We're relying on player sales going much further which is always tricky when really investment into players is probably poorer than when we were in L1 - in relative terms that is - when competition and standards are much higher.

This is decent analysis so cheers for that.

If we need to make up your (probably fair) estimate of £5m in player sales I just don't get the point of selling Hyam for "far less" [than] £2.5m.

Much more practical to sell a crown jewel for £10m and cover ourselves as well as having £5m to play with in the transfer market.

Obviously the plan was to do this with O'Hare before the injury but one injury shouldn't affect our entire process. There should be bridging funds from the owners and a sale in Jan or next summer instead of picking apart an already thin squad.

That's beside the fact that a football club's owner should, in my opinion, be in it for more than cold hard cash and be looking to invest and improve the team.

 

[Liquid Gold]

We are up for sale and desperately need to replace the funds from missing games and repairing a pitch that isn’t ours. Yes it’s shit but at the moment it seems to be about surviving long enough for SISU to sell… which the majority of people want. Not that I’m convinced that Jordan and his buddies will be much of an upgrade.

If it is for a sale then I'd be fine, I mentioned it further up in the thread.

I just don't see it any time soon unfortunately.

 

[Matt smith]

I swear you have got to be a WUM with the amount of negativity you are posting over various threads. We have literally played 2 games this season and you have us down as being relegated. it's pathetic

No I’m genuinely not mate it’s just how I feel

apologies

just hard to be positive after the summers news abd dealings

hopefully a win tomorrow and I can start being more positive

 

[fernandopartridge]

Perhaps it’s like Peter Reid with Callum Davrnport

“where’s Callum why isn’t he in training?”

“he’s gone Peter” says McGinnitty

I believe that is accurate, Robins doesn't want him to go and him going does not mean there will not be another sale. Leopards do not change their spots.

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[Matt smith]

No I’m genuinely not mate it’s just how I feel

I just think if and I know it’s an if

we sell vik late one - I think we could be in trouble

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Defo legs on this one....

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

This is decent analysis so cheers for that.

If we need to make up your (probably fair) estimate of £5m in player sales I just don't get the point of selling Hyam for "far less" [than] £2.5m.

Much more practical to sell a crown jewel for £10m and cover ourselves as well as having £5m to play with in the transfer market.

Obviously the plan was to do this with O'Hare before the injury but one injury shouldn't affect our entire process. There should be bridging funds from the owners and a sale in Jan or next summer instead of picking apart an already thin squad.

That's beside the fact that a football club's owner should, in my opinion, be in it for more than cold hard cash and be looking to invest and improve the team.

Probably a combination of mitigating inevitable cashflow issues in the very short term and to pay for instalments on Gyokeres and Sheaf.

The sale of Hyam reeks of panic to me as clearly there's just not the level of interest in Gyokeres or Hamer as initially hoped, and I think O'Hare was probably due to go but the sale was scuppered by his injury.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Probably a combination of mitigating inevitable cashflow issues and to pay for instalments on Gyokeres and Sheaf.

The sale of Hyam reeks of panic to me as clearly there's just not the level of interest in Gyokeres or Hamer as initially hoped, and I think O'Hare was probably due to go but the sale was scuppered by his injury.

Agreed, we're panicking.

The result of it shouldn't be strip our squad it should be ownership support.

Our owners are dogs hit though so....

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Agreed, we're panicking.

The result of it shouldn't be strip our squad it should be ownership support.

Our owners are dogs hit though so....

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Indeed. Like I said in another post it's going to be a very interesting week as one can assume that another could potentially go, unless the club can hold out until January.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Absolutely slaughtering my enthusiasm for the season.

Just the best we can hope for is struggle and not get relegated. Don't fancy that or another trip around the lower leagues for a decade.

Fucking soul destroying club.

 

[Matt smith]

Absolutely slaughtering my enthusiasm for the season.

Just the best we can hope for is struggle and not get relegated. Don't fancy that or another trip around the lower leagues for a decade.

Fucking soul destroying club.

I hate being negative I don’t even realise I’m doing it mate

Genuinely annoyed about the situation

as I’m sure everyone is

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

Defo legs on this one....

No room for him tonight in Hull