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skyblu3sk

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Talk about moving the goalposts. 🤣🤣
If you genuinely think we’ll finish around the same place, surely you’d take anything above 15th?
I do think we will be mid table yeah. You all seem to be banging on about relegation hence why I suggested that as a bet. Happily take £30 on 15th or higher to the charity Mind.
 

Sick Boy

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I do think we will be mid table yeah. You all seem to be banging on about relegation hence why I suggested that as a bet. Happily take £30 on 15th or higher to the charity Mind.
Go on then but if I win it’ll be a charity of my choice.
 

edgy

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Adding Palmer in to the mix who looks a real talent to me. Already seen him tackling back breaking up play which is supposedly something he wouldn't do. Comfortable on the ball and an eye for a pass. Looking forward to seeing more.

Palmer and O'Hare behind Big Vik, is something I'm looking forward to seeing.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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Happy to have kept the main players, but it just goes to show that a lot of us have read from generally reliable posters that 'the sale of Hyam won't be enough' and from a lot that SISU would be forcing a 'big' sale as they don't care about us etc. It whipped up a nervous energy on here. I don't think Danny Cashman on loan to Walsall would have been the tipping point in holding off on that. For me, we have replaced JCS (injured again) and Hyam with Panzo and Doyle (albeit one permanent player down. Maatsen replaced with a Palace youngster (who knows the quality, or readiness?). Regardless, Bidwell is fine (if he stays fit, he will be hard to shift). Overall I'm happy with our squad. Need the keeper(s) to settle down, and avoid key injuries and we should start to see us improve. Blackpool will start to struggle now that Bowler has gone, Blues won't move away from the bottom, and we'll overtake Wigan and Rotherham as the season progresses. Operation 20th place is back on ;) 🍻 🍻 PUSB!
 

fatso

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We have Norwich and West Brom up next, which could quite easily lead to 5 defeats on the bounce. Most teams’ supporters would start asking questions, especially when coupled with the form towards the end of last season.
You sound just like Forrest fans did this time last year!
 

CCFCSteve

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We’ve got a lot on mystic megs (who also like to use a bit hindsight) on this forum, the same people who were predicting one of the big three going and nothing reinvested, are now moaning about where we might be after a few more games and potential valuations of players at Christmas and next summer.

Nobody is saying we’re not in for a tough season but give it a break and focus on where we’re at now rather than second guess the future. As we saw with Ohares ‘sale’ and injury, there’s too many variables to confidently predict anything in football
 

Hobo

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Keeping the big 3/4/5/whatever is not the victory people think. The club needs to sell players to survive and we’ve missed the chance to do that with our most valuable players when they’re at their peak value - Gyokeres will end up being sold for a fraction of the sums being mentioned this summer, or leaving on a free.

Yes, no-one likes selling our best players, but the only reason to keep hold of them is if you seriously think they’re going to drag this current squad to the next level. If anyone still thinks that after the first four games I’d love a pint of what you’re drinking.

This squad is crying out for new investment, and we just missed out on our best chance in a decade to get a ‘big’ transfer fee. We’re like a cold and hungry family stubbornly refusing to sell the Mercedes parked in the front drive.

We didnt miss out on a big transfer fee because no one offered a big fee.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
Backing the team and having concern for our financial situation are not mutually exclusive . After saying on Tuesday that the club essentially has serious financial problems what is the plan, the strategy to get us through? We have been told the problems now we need the solutions. No player sales until January earliest, and this seasons cash flows will be all over the shop with the World Cup shut down, rocketing utility prices, wage inflation (its not just players to pay), inflation generally etc

Personally i don't get any comfort from other teams did, the situation for those teams was different if you look at their financials and the levels of owner support or even the significant player sales also very different. Its a pointless comparison

In one sense retaining the "three" is great news, it gives the team better prospects on the pitch - assuming the results pick up. Boddy statement yesterday was playing to the crowd "didnt we do well". Couldn't have sold at least one of them because of injury. Did any other enquiries even test the owners resolve?

on the other hand we all know we have to sell players to survive, and we have sold one player Hyam for a reported £1.5m. To put that in context that is around one months wages bill. Not selling now probably means that in January it will be essential to do so.

We are also relying on MR to pull another rabbit out of the hat this season to keep us comfortable in this division. How many seasons can he keep doing that

Wont do anything other than back the team, never have done for over 50years, but tough times ahead financially and for a time at least on the pitch. I think any sky blue supporter should be concerned

But yes above that the team needs our support. Needs us all to lift and help them. PUSB's
 

DionDublinsJockstrap

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I was absolutely convinced that at least one would have gone. Gykores being the most likely. Am I being too optimistic in thinking that there may be investment / takeover machinations going on, and that this has influenced the need to sell the big 3. As previously stated the Hyam sale is plugging a short term gap.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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I was absolutely convinced that at least one would have gone. Gykores being the most likely. Am I being too optimistic in thinking that there may be investment / takeover machinations going on, and that this has influenced the need to sell the big 3. As previously stated the Hyam sale is plugging a short term gap.

Nah I just don’t think there was the interest expected. Did we even get a reported bid for Gyokeres?
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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Nah I just don’t think there was the interest expected. Did we even get a reported bid for Gyokeres?

Yet, if we were really that desperate, it would have been easy to alert 'interested' clubs that Vik was available at £x (which would have been a below market value), if we were desperate.
 

Alkhen

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That's the point - it appears that we are not as desperate as most of us thought
Yep, think things have been really blown out of portion based off of a few crumbs from ITKs here and there.

No one knows what the situation is. Based on little more than gut feeling I do get a sense that maybe new investment is sniffing around. But we will see and in the mean time I get to watch some quality players.
 

CCFCSteve

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That's the point - it appears that we are not as desperate as most of us thought

Exactly. There is no doubt we couldve got decent money in for Vik, Hamer and Ohare, probably Sheaf as well, maybe not some of the valuations being banded around here but still millions. The club have rejected offers that didn’t match their valuations and should be credited for that. This is also in their interests though as there’s no point selling an asset for less than they’re worth unless you really have to, as ultimately it reduces the value of the club.

The Hyam sale was short term cash and gets us through to the next window. By then there might a clearer picture with regards to Wasps and the stadium. If the stadium isn’t up for grabs and a potential sale (of us) isn’t possible, unfortunately I’d expect one of the ‘Big 3’’ is likely to go. But we’ll cross the bridge if/when we come to it
 

Flying Fokker

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Ok. So how is it that we can’t afford to keep our squad together? The original post must know more than he’s letting on. Or is it because we didn’t sell the big players, we are suddenly in dire straights? Roll on the next transfer window.
 

Grendel

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It’s not about being desperate, it’s about doing good business. Buy low-sell high isn’t rocket science.

If Gyokeres really was worth £10 million this summer as many people said, then it’s mad that we didn’t sell him, even if we only got to reinvest a fraction of it. People are talking about him like he’s Bitcoin - his value can surely only go up!

Another bump on a totally dumb philosophy- it’s pretty clear without Gyokeres we are dead certs for the drop. We have to retain him even if it means the end of his contract. Without him I see zero hope of survival
 

SBT

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Another bump on a totally dumb philosophy- it’s pretty clear without Gyokeres we are dead certs for the drop. We have to retain him even if it means the end of his contract. Without him I see zero hope of survival

The philosophy isn’t to sell Gyokeres and not replace him (which, well spotted, would likely lead to relegation). The philosophy is to raise funds and improve a squad that, by your appraisal, is a relegation candidate at best anyway. If selling Gyokeres isn’t an option, what’s your alternative?
 

Grendel

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The philosophy isn’t to sell Gyokeres and not replace him (which, well spotted, would likely lead to relegation). The philosophy is to raise funds and improve a squad that, by your appraisal, is a relegation candidate at best anyway. If selling Gyokeres isn’t an option, what’s your alternative?

You have to persist with him as reality is you sell him you lose £7 million in TV revenue anyway - with him you could stay in the league this season so get rid of hamer in January to keep the cash flow issue at bay. If he keeps performing his value will escalate
 

SBT

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You have to persist with him as reality is you sell him you lose £7 million in TV revenue anyway - with him you could stay in the league this season so get rid of hamer in January to keep the cash flow issue at bay. If he keeps performing his value will escalate

Really? Foreign clubs can open talks with him about a free transfer in little more than a year from now.

How much do you think we’d get for Hamer?
 

Grendel

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Really? Foreign clubs can open talks with him about a free transfer in little more than a year from now.

How much do you think we’d get for Hamer?

i have no ideas but if we get £4 million it keeps the wolf from the door - selling our premium striker in January hasn’t historically worked well. You stick or twist - I’d stick at all cost as if he keeps performing he’s value will escalate
 

CDK

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Backing the team and having concern for our financial situation are not mutually exclusive . After saying on Tuesday that the club essentially has serious financial problems what is the plan, the strategy to get us through? We have been told the problems now we need the solutions. No player sales until January earliest, and this seasons cash flows will be all over the shop with the World Cup shut down, rocketing utility prices, wage inflation (its not just players to pay), inflation generally etc

Personally i don't get any comfort from other teams did, the situation for those teams was different if you look at their financials and the levels of owner support or even the significant player sales also very different. Its a pointless comparison

In one sense retaining the "three" is great news, it gives the team better prospects on the pitch - assuming the results pick up. Boddy statement yesterday was playing to the crowd "didnt we do well". Couldn't have sold at least one of them because of injury. Did any other enquiries even test the owners resolve?

on the other hand we all know we have to sell players to survive, and we have sold one player Hyam for a reported £1.5m. To put that in context that is around one months wages bill. Not selling now probably means that in January it will be essential to do so.

We are also relying on MR to pull another rabbit out of the hat this season to keep us comfortable in this division. How many seasons can he keep doing that

Wont do anything other than back the team, never have done for over 50years, but tough times ahead financially and for a time at least on the pitch. I think any sky blue supporter should be concerned

But yes above that the team needs our support. Needs us all to lift and help them. PUSB's
We seem to expect robins to keep producing miricales year in year out,but how long is he prepared to put up with sisu,as think a real opportunity gets offered at some point he will eventually take it.
 

SBT

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i have no ideas but if we get £4 million it keeps the wolf from the door - selling our premium striker in January hasn’t historically worked well. You stick or twist - I’d stick at all cost as if he keeps performing he’s value will escalate

Who suggested selling him in January?

The strategy of death by a thousand cuts and letting our most valuable assets wind down their contracts while the team struggled hasn’t worked great historically either.
 

Grendel

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Who suggested selling him in January?

The strategy of death by a thousand cuts and letting our most valuable assets wind down their contracts while the team struggled hasn’t worked great historically either.

you said if worth £10 million we should sell last summer

Which free agents are you referring to?
 

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