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skybluetony176

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Is the Tory party done? I saw one poll earlier predicting that they won’t return a single MP in a GE. I don’t see that happening myself but they might not even be the opposition party. The reinvention of the Tories as English nationalist has clearly been found out. It’s not the party it was by any stretch of the imagination and the party it now so blatantly is is not an election winner.
 
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Is the Tory party done?
In short no. If Clegg hadn't betrayed the people who voted Liberal then it might be more of a concern, but as it stands there's enough people who love electing the likes of Peter Bone, so they'll stay in, chances are Jeremy Wright etc will avoid being lumped in with the rest of them, and there are some good MPs, even Tory, who ought to survive just because they're good MPs.
 

shmmeee

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In short no. If Clegg hadn't betrayed the people who voted Liberal then it might be more of a concern, but as it stands there's enough people who love electing the likes of Peter Bone, so they'll stay in, chances are Jeremy Wright etc will avoid being lumped in with the rest of them, and there are some good MPs, even Tory, who ought to survive just because they're good MPs.

The one problem they have is they’ve always had the same deal with members as Russia has with its electorate (basically well win elections and you lot are basically irrelevant), Brexit caused a big change in their membership demographic who are more concerned with smashing things up than preserving the status quo. It’s possible the members will keep electing nutters and there’s not a strong enough traditional membership to wrest the party back.

I think if a UKIP type party existed we’d see both in the high teens low twenties.
 

skybluetony176

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Looks like far right populism in Italy is in trouble before she even manages to form a government. Some of her running mates have been found out to be so pro Putin they’d make Corbyn go hold on… wait a minute. She’s planning Liz Truss style tax reforms favouring the wealthy ahead of everyone else, the bond market is licking it’s lips at the prospect fully expecting a golden opportunity to cash in like they just have in the UK.


What’s going on @sickboy
 

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There are countries in the world where they would have had a military coup already at the prospect of Johnson shuffling back in.
 

Darth Robins

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There are countries in the world where they would have had a military coup already at the prospect of Johnson shuffling back in.

I'm wondering what the hell it's going to take before we start seeing actual protests? They're clearly only interested in saving their own hides and won't call an election until they're forced to, we can't have another two years of this lot fighting amongst themselves while there's a war and energy crisis raging. Maybe once the blackouts hit...
 

Sick Boy

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Looks like far right populism in Italy is in trouble before she even manages to form a government. Some of her running mates have been found out to be so pro Putin they’d make Corbyn go hold on… wait a minute. She’s planning Liz Truss style tax reforms favouring the wealthy ahead of everyone else, the bond market is licking it’s lips at the prospect fully expecting a golden opportunity to cash in like they just have in the UK.


What’s going on @sickboy
Silvio’s bizarre relationship with Putin is well know - he sent him a duvet cover with them both on it - Salvini is also historically pro-Russia.

Meloni has the upper-hand over both of them due to their low % in the vote, so not sure it’ll last more than a year before there’s another technocratic government - the system in place is designed for that to end up as the default.

The flat tax (15%) for everyone was an idea of Salvini - Meloni isn’t in favour of such a low percentage.

She also knows she is heavily reliant on the EU covid recovery fund, which will prevent anything too drastic.

The populism thing is a bit of a myth because there hasn’t been a big swing to it - the right coalition got less percentage overall than other parties but there was the fragmentation of the vote due to the idiot PD and voter apathy.
 
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PVA

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I'm wondering what the hell it's going to take before we start seeing actual protests? They're clearly only interested in saving their own hides and won't call an election until they're forced to, we can't have another two years of this lot fighting amongst themselves while there's a war and energy crisis raging. Maybe once the blackouts hit...

We're British. A nation of subservient bootlickers who just love being told what to do by posh people.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Sounds to me like he's trying to win the vote without going to the membership. Sunak must know the chances of winning the membership vote are very low after losing the last catastrophuck to Truss.

Seeing half of the Government's well paid jobs are up for grabs again, people are going to vote for the best person which will further their career than what's best for the Tory party, or larger population in general. I differentiate between the two groups because this is just getting fucking bonkers.
Their priorities when deciding anything are:
1. Themselves
2. The party





672. The country and its citizens.
 

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There seems to be a real push to get that cretin Johnson back in. If he does he will be ridiculous as he will think he is indestructible and just continue to do what he wants and take the piss out of the British public.
 

CCFCSteve

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Is the Tory party done? I saw one poll earlier predicting that they won’t return a single MP in a GE. I don’t see that happening myself but they might not even be the opposition party. The reinvention of the Tories as English nationalist has clearly been found out. It’s not the party it was by any stretch of the imagination and the party it now so blatantly is is not an election winner.

A lot will depend on what happens next. I know I keep banging on about it but all it needs is a credible leader with a strong, credible cabinet and they could win back some support, even though they’re done for the next election.

If Johnson, Rees Mogg, Dorries and the delusional gang come back in they could be out for a while
 

skybluetony176

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A lot will depend on what happens next. I know I keep banging on about it but all it needs is a credible leader with a strong, credible cabinet and they could win back some support, even though they’re done for the next election.

If Johnson, Rees Mogg, Dorries and the delusional gang come back in they could be out for a while
I think it’s bigger than that Steve. The parliamentary party is split into at least 3 and the party membership is full off nutters. They could end up with a handful of MP’s and membership of posh UKIPers, it will cease to be the “broad church” they famously brag about being. I don’t know how they can recover from that. They’d need a complete new wave of membership to turn the car around.
 

shmmeee

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I think it’s bigger than that Steve. The parliamentary party is split into at least 3 and the party membership is full off nutters. They could end up with a handful of MP’s and membership of posh UKIPers, it will cease to be the “broad church” they famously brag about being. I don’t know how they can recover from that. They’d need a complete new wave of membership to turn the car around.

It’ll only happen under PR, otherwise the brand recognition alone would make them the main right wing party and the vote would coalesce again.
 

skybluetony176

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Almost forgot. The Tory membership also includes made up people and tortoises, not just nutters.



The issue of non brits who have never lived here, never paid taxes here, not eligible to vote in a British GE voting for the Tory leader so therefore by default the PM was an issue highlighted in the last leadership contest, the fact that made up people and people not eligible to vote in a UK election are picking yet another PM is a major problem for the Tories. A problem that they’re not interested in addressing.


Just to add. This is the party that wants to reform the voting process in a GE to stop a vote fraud that doesn’t exist.
 
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A lot will depend on what happens next. I know I keep banging on about it but all it needs is a credible leader with a strong, credible cabinet and they could win back some support, even though they’re done for the next election.

If Johnson, Rees Mogg, Dorries and the delusional gang come back in they could be out for a while
Even the likes of SUnak suddenly swayed uber-right to appeal to the mentalist membership though - none of them seem strong enough to stick with a vague ideal of principle (I accept you have to compromise) rather than a lust for power.
 

JAM See

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Shameless cunts.

Can't wait for them to fuck off



Led by donkeys indeed.

I hope they make hay with this.

No doubt there will be others who submitted letters of no confidence now endorsing Alex.

Groucho Marx's 'principles' quote springs to mind.
 

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