Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (243 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Why? It pretty much sums them up. Hopefully they don't playing stupid if/when Ashley does bid for the club, take what's on offer and go.
They won't win a fight with him.

he thinks Seppala needs £60 million

 

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[Sick Boy]

Fucking over sisu is fucking over the club tho

It’s like when we had some fans willing us to get relegated to League 1 to get rid of SISU, then it was League 2…all it did was threaten the clubs existence.
The game away vs Notts C will probably be one of the most important in our lifetime, especially considering the starkly different directions the 2 clubs have gone in.

 

[The Philosopher]

What’s he said that’s incorrect? They had the chance they’ve waited for for 8 years.

they’ve blown it and once again someone has swooped in again!

Unfortunately Seppala, Fisher and Boddy are habitual liars. They have an agenda which is opposed to what supporters want.

Opposed agenda?

SISU want the club to not get relegated for a start.

If that’s opposed to what supporters want then I’d be surprised.

They want to fluke promotion - if that’s opposed to what supporters want then I’m surprised too.

That they have made mistakes - agreed.

“opposed agenda”

- clueless.

 

[Grendel]

Opposed agenda?

SISU want the club to not get relegated for a start.

If that’s opposed to what supporters want then I’d be surprised.

They want to fluke promotion - if that’s opposed to what supporters want then I’m surprised too.

That they have made mistakes - agreed.

“opposed agenda”

- clueless.

they couldn’t give a fuck what League that we are in

 

[hill83]

It’s like when we had some fans willing us to get relegated to League 1 to get rid of SISU, then it was League 2…all it did was threaten the clubs existence.
The game away vs Notts C will probably be one of the most important in our lifetime, especially considering the starkly different directions the 2 clubs have gone in.

3 offside goals as well wasn’t it. Beautiful.

 

[The Philosopher]

he thinks Seppala needs £60 million

What do you think she needs?

Any answer (no - because you’ve no clue)

Like I’ve said - clueless

 

[The Philosopher]

they couldn’t give a fuck what League that we are in

What are you saying? That the huge loss of income and investment value isn’t important to them.

You really are clueless. Please keep posting, it’s making me laugh.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

How long has Ashley got to complete terms out of interest? Aren’t we 1 week in from Tuesday?

It won't be over until the fat lady sings, will it.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

What are you saying? That the huge loss of income and investment value isn’t important to them.

Fisher himself said our model would work in the division below the one we're in, but not the one we are in.

 

[The Philosopher]

Re

Fisher himself said our model would work in the division below the one we're in, but not the one we are in.

Really?

Evidence?

Context?

(not sticking up for him - I saw a fans forum with him “I do the jokes”, he said. Couldn’t read the room - not a person for all people)

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Re

Really?

Evidence?

Context?

(not sticking for him - I saw a fans forum with him “I do the jokes”, he said. Couldn’t read the room - not a person for all people)

It was word for word - said our model won’t work in the championship. Same one they said they wouldn’t sell at the bottom of the cycle

 

[The Philosopher]

It was word for word - said our model won’t work in the championship. Same one they said they wouldn’t sell at the bottom of the cycle

Link?

What was the context? That the model needed change or, as implied, that we should seek to be relegated like Ol’ Clueless suggests.

 

[Grendel]

Sisu are totally different to all other owners in the league

The whole purpose is to offer investor returns and investment protection

A relegation and it’s simply a cold calculated adjustment to react accordingly - sell players when needed - and reward accordingly

In fact the most successful period this worked was league 1. This league has proven well beyond their level

What do fans want?

Open communication
security of tenure
Investment
Community association
No politics before the club

They fail at everything

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Link?

What was the context? That the model needed change or, as implied, that we should seek to be relegated like Ol’ Clueless suggests.

There isn’t a link - it was said in a fans forum. Someone mentioned investment and he was going through how we operate. Said we don’t have the finances to just spend and the model we currently run won’t work in the championship.

 

[The Philosopher]

There isn’t a link - it was said in a fans forum. Someone mentioned investment and he was going through how we operate. Said we don’t have the finances to just spend and the model we currently run won’t work in the championship.

So the context was that the model in place at that time wouldn’t work in the Champ; which is a far cry from suggesting that we shouldn’t be there and wants relegation.

There must be a link, I thought all fans forums were recorded by someone.

 

[Otis]

Like the council as well? Say something bad about the council and I’ll post you a Mars bar

Can't you make it a Bounty?

 

[hill83]

Can't you make it a Bounty?

Too soon

 

[shmmeee]

What are you saying? That the huge loss of income and investment value isn’t important to them.

You really are clueless. Please keep posting, it’s making me laugh.

We didn’t lose as much in L1. They’d much prefer us there. They’ve said as much “the model doesn’t work in the Championship”

 

[Grendel]

So the context was that the model in place at that time wouldn’t work in the Champ; which is a far cry from suggesting that we shouldn’t be there and wants relegation.

There must be a link, I thought all fans forums were recorded by someone.

The desperation is becoming too obvious

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

So the context was that the model in place at that time wouldn’t work in the Champ; which is a far cry from suggesting that we shouldn’t be there and wants relegation.

There must be a link, I thought all fans forums were recorded by someone.

Nobody said they wanted relegation, it’s just the clubs Optimal running level. One which doesn’t really give SISU the added headache and costs.

it was one at the holiday inn. If you want to go searching for the link then go for it, but I was there. So either take the witness statement or don’t

 

[clint van damme]

We didn’t lose as much in L1. They’d much prefer us there. They’ve said as much “the model doesn’t work in the Championship”

Wasn't the last time they actually took money out of the club when we were in L1?

 

[Grendel]

Nobody said they wanted relegation, it’s just the clubs Optimal running level. One which doesn’t really give SISU the added headache and costs.

it was one at the holiday inn. If you want to go searching for the link then go for it, but I was there. So either take the witness statement or don’t

The point is the league is irrelevant to them

 

[Grendel]

Wasn't the last time they actually took money out of the club when we were in L1?

Yes around £1.9 million I believe

 

[Astute]

Well funny how many people are talking about Ashley owning us and money invested etc


We're in for a world of pain the next few seasons. Seppala v Ashley will go on longer than the Vietnam war. 2 people who are used to getting thier own way, no matter who or what collateral gets harmed. On this occasion, us and our football club.

Ashley will not just pick us up. Hes clever hes got the stadium and again puts sisu in a corner

What does Joy do when the backs against the wall? Litigation, threats, move us, pull funding, make enemies.

This is the worst possible outcome. Of course he wants the club but he wouldn't think twice about distressing us to get it cheaper.

Amazed how many of you are still in cloud cuckoo land with this and talking as if hes already our owner

You haven't answered previous questions.

Litigation? On what grounds?

Move us? What excuse do SISU give if the contract for the arena is kept to?

Stop funding? So they get us relegated and worth much less than we are now?

One main question I asked you previously was how can you be so sure that there already hasn't been talks. Why have SISU been quiet for once when the arena is the main topic?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Clueless

clueless

clueless

The thing is... I've been reading the posts on here, and it ain't Grendel who's clueless on this particular issue.

He's right that the club has no intrinsic value, and the cost to buy is how much of the debt somebody is prepared to take on/ settle.

He's right that the league level is of secondary priority to the owners of the football club than breaking even at worst, making a profit at best.

He's right that their track record for honesty has been distinctly dubious.

 

[hill83]

 

[The Philosopher]

The point is the league is irrelevant to them

The league is irrelevant?

They want PL money - anyone that thinks they don’t has no grasp of reality.

L1 is further away from the PL

I’ll say it again:

Clueless

 

[The Philosopher]

You haven't answered previous questions.

Litigation? On what grounds?

Move us? What excuse do SISU give if the contract for the arena is kept to?

Stop funding? So they get us relegated and worth much less than we are now?

One main question I asked you previously was how can you be so sure that there already hasn't been talks. Why have SISU been quiet for once when the arena is the main topic?

Not clueless

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

The league is irrelevant?

They want PL money - anyone that thinks they don’t has no grasp of reality.

L1 is further away from the PL

I’ll say it again:

Clueless

They want PL money on a league two budget.

 

[Samo]

Sisu are totally different to all other owners in the league

The whole purpose is to offer investor returns and investment protection

A relegation and it’s simply a cold calculated adjustment to react accordingly - sell players when needed - and reward accordingly

In fact the most successful period this worked was league 1. This league has proven well beyond their level

What do fans want?

Open communication
security of tenure
Investment
Community association
No politics before the club

They fail at everything

Yeah but there was the sky blue dress

 

[Grendel]

Not clueless

They haven’t provided actual funding since 2012

 

[The Philosopher]

Nobody said they wanted relegation, it’s just the clubs Optimal running level. One which doesn’t really give SISU the added headache and costs.

it was one at the holiday inn. If you want to go searching for the link then go for it, but I was there. So either take the witness statement or don’t

I’ve no reason to believe he didn’t say that in the context of the L1 model not working in the Champ.

I think he’s a bit lacking in communication skills but I’m sure that he doesn’t crave relegation as suggested.

 

[The Philosopher]

They haven’t provided actual funding since 2012

Clueless,

They’ve underwritten losses.

It’s like saying that using your credit card isn’t spending money.

We’d all like them to have spent more, but they haven’t.

Clueless.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I’ve no reason to believe he didn’t say that in the context of the L1 model not working in the Champ.

I think he’s a bit lacking in communication skills but I’m sure that he doesn’t crave relegation as suggested.

Fucking hell nobody said they want relegation. the championship is a step too far for them. The Costs involved give them headaches.

they don’t give a shit what league we’re in as long as the costs are down

they operate a model which is easier in league one/two - The championship requires a lot more investment - that they’re not willing to provide.

 

[The Philosopher]

They want PL money on a league two budget.

Of course:

Name one club owner that wouldn’t?

It’s like saying who wouldn’t want a brand new car for a tenner?

The point?