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[Liquid Gold]

I’ve got no anger or malice at all.

We just didn’t quite make it.

I’ve been very supportive of Southgate because of his tournament record but I think it’s time we let someone else do it.

 

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[Astute]

Think I’m with this. Other than the unrealistic Morocco.

Morocco hash has always been the best

 

[stupot07]

They play totally different roles TBF. Kane is basically a number 10 for England. Giroud is on the end of everything in the box.

Thats not how Kane started when he came through, he was a proper number 9. I dont know whether its instructions, or because he's captain he feels like he needs to get involved but does play like a number 10.

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[Johnnythespider]

Southgate should be given the plaudits for getting us to a world cup semi and a euro final, he will rightly point to the fact that it's taken the world champions to knock us out but it's time for a change, don't ask me who but we need someone who can give these talented players the confidence to win a game like this.

 

[shmmeee]

Fuck this. Reloading the save to yesterday.

 

[shmmeee]

Southgate should be given the plaudits for getting us to a world cup semi and a euro final, he will rightly point to the fact that it's taken the world champions to knock us out but it's time for a change, don't ask me who but we need someone who can give these talented players the confidence to win a game like this.

Talks us down so much like we’re a L2 side playing against a Prem team. Like Neville said maybe that’s true in the pay but we’ve got the quality to go toe to toe with anyone these days.

 

[Otis]

Should anyone else have taken the pen .
No normally but a second one against his club goalie?

Exactly! I really felt that he just would not score, because he thought he had to do something different, as Lloris knows him inside out.

 

[Kieranp96]

If they’re glorified friendlies perhaps we might have used them to try some different systems or personnel

Oh 100% we should start with a better manager , not hating his football this tournament but I think there is better out there “cough Eddie howe”

 

[Liquid Gold]

Southgate should be given the plaudits for getting us to a world cup semi and a euro final, he will rightly point to the fact that it's taken the world champions to knock us out but it's time for a change, don't ask me who but we need someone who can give these talented players the confidence to win a game like this.

Southgate’s plaudits should come from turning a disorganised unmotivated mess into an international threat.

He has his deficiencies but he has made us proud of this team again and that should be his legacy.

Now give it to a man that can take us to the next level.

 

[Skybluefaz]

So many factors made that a horrible pen for Kane to take. Already taken 1, against his team mate who is the captain of the opposition, the weight of the game, it would have made him top scorer for England. The man is always going to step up though, so respect for that.

 

[Liquid Gold]

So many factors made that a horrible pen for Kane to take. Already taken 1, against his team mate who is the captain of the opposition, the weight of the game, it would have made him top scorer for England. The man is always going to step up though, so respect for that.

Would still want him to take it 10 times out of 10 if it happened again.

 

[Macca]

So many factors made that a horrible pen for Kane to take. Already taken 1, against his team mate who is the captain of the opposition, the weight of the game, it would have made him top scorer for England. The man is always going to step up though, so respect for that.

100% agree. No blame on him at all, shit happens

 

[stay_up_skyblues]

Exactly! I really felt that he just would not score, because he thought he had to do something different, as Lloris knows him inside out.

Thing is, if it’s a carbon copy of the first pen, Loris probably doesn’t save it. Too fast and in the side netting to reach. I agree he thought he had to try something else but he didnt.

We looked the better side when trailing but when France needed to go up a level to take the lead they did. We’re a good side, they’re elite. The ball from Griezman for Giroud was better than anything we did all night.

Southgate has done a solid job but I agree it’s worth trying something new. With the right appointment we should, at worst, stand still. Best case is we go one further than his best results in the two comps.

 

[Astute]

Southgate should be given the plaudits for getting us to a world cup semi and a euro final, he will rightly point to the fact that it's taken the world champions to knock us out but it's time for a change, don't ask me who but we need someone who can give these talented players the confidence to win a game like this.

We played with confidence.

Score that pen and a different game. You can’t manage every event.

But I wonder why did Southgate get the job with minimal experience.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Thats not how Kane started when he came through, he was a proper number 9. I dont know whether its instructions, or because he's captain he feels like he needs to get involved but does play like a number 10.

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I think the multiple ankle injuries he's had over the years took a toll on the body, not sure if that is why he has tried to adapt his game or something else as did the same at Tottenham and adapted his role.
Last two tournaments I've heard Kane don't look fit or that he looks off the pace said multiple times across the group stages.

2015-2018 Kane was incredible and on another level, still a very good player but he's lost 5-10% of his game for me due to injuries.

 

[Alkhen]

Gutted, thought we did very well second half. Kane will get way less greif than the lads who missed in the Euros.

I appreciate Southgate has turned England into a force but I think we need to move on now. Try something new.

The future looks bright player wise plenty of options in attacking areas. Need to fast track some players in at centre back.

 

[Sky_Blue_Daz]

So many factors made that a horrible pen for Kane to take. Already taken 1, against his team mate who is the captain of the opposition, the weight of the game, it would have made him top scorer for England. The man is always going to step up though, so respect for that.

And if Kane gave the penalty to someone else and they missed , he’d be called a bottler . France were there for the taking second half , defensively they were very poor they essentially gave 3 penalties away. Saka should of finished the game too

 

[oscillatewildly]

Spain hattrick, important goals in the euros, won the pen against Denmark.

Edit: he scored 2 against Spain, you're right. Pathetic.

Two goals in a glorified friendly!
I've heard he's amazing during training sessions too - Missed that one didn't ya?

 

[Tommo1993]

Managed the game a lot better than that Italy final, so I’ll cling to that.

 

[shmmeee]

Gutted, thought we did very well second half. Kane will get way less greif than the lads who missed in the Euros.

I appreciate Southgate has turned England into a force but I think we need to move on now. Try something new.

The future looks bright player wise plenty of options in attacking areas. Need to fast track some players in at centre back.

We need a manager who plays to our strengths, which aren’t defensive. Someone who can get the best from the abundance of attacking talent we have.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Sterling why? He is still like 25

Motivation more than age and he plays like he has a lot of miles in the legs.

 

[Otis]

And if Kane gave the penalty to someone else and they missed , he’d be called a bottler . France were there for the taking second half , defensively they were very poor they essentially gave 3 penalties away. Saka should of finished the game too

To be honest, I would have given the pen to the likes of Bellingham.

I honestly don't think Kane would have been labelled a bottler. It was just an option.

Had it not been Kane's own club goalkeeper in goal, then yes, 100% Kane. Every time. But I did say to myself as soon as we were awarded the pen, that maybe Kane shouldn't take that one. I just could sense he was going to miss.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Too soon ?

 

[Skybluefaz]

I wonder why did Southgate get the job with minimal experience.

Southgate and Dan Ashworth were responsible for laying the foundations for the way we play and coach nowadays from grassroots up.

He was also under 21s coach.

 

[David O'Day]

Didn't play to bad fucked it in the end though

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[CCFCSteve]

To be honest, I would have given the pen to the likes of Bellingham.

I honestly don't think Kane would have been labelled a bottler. It was just an option.

Had it not been Kane's own club goalkeeper in goal, then yes, 100% Kane. Every time. But I did say to myself as soon as we were awarded the pen, that maybe Kane shouldn't take that one. I just could sense he was going to miss.

Spot on. Exactly what we were saying. But then again he buried first pen

 

[Sky_Blue_Daz]

To be honest, I would have given the pen to the likes of Bellingham.

I honestly don't think Kane would have been labelled a bottler. It was just an option.

Had it not been Kane's own club goalkeeper in goal, then yes, 100% Kane. Every time. But I did say to myself as soon as we were awarded the pen, that maybe Kane shouldn't take that one. I just could sense he was going to miss.

Same here , I personally would like to see Southgate carry on till the next tournament there’s no other candidates and he has a decent record . My only gripe was giving Jack grealish 2 minutes tonight that was pointless

 

[MalcSB]

Did Grealish even touch the ball?

 

[CCFCSteve]

Same here , I personally would like to see Southgate carry on till the next tournament there’s no other candidates and he has a decent record . My only gripe was giving Jack grealish 2 minutes tonight that was pointless

Should’ve been in ahead of sterling who’s had to do a load of travelling and no training

 

[jordan210]

Feel for Rashford. Had a great first game. Top scorer and then gets dropped.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Feel for Rashford. Had a great first game. Top scorer and then gets dropped.

Tough to fit him in though, everyone wanted Foden to play, Saka has been brilliant and Kane is always going to start.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Battered Iran
Boring as fuck usa
Sent wales home
Dominant against senegal
Came close against the champions

no shame at all.

 

[Otis]

Spot on. Exactly what we were saying. But then again he buried first pen

Yes, but then that in turn was the reason he maybe shouldn't have taken the second one.

There will be no other goalkeeper out there in the world who has faced more pens against Harry Kane than Lloris. They must practise them pretty much every day in training.

Pretty clear that the French players all surrounded Lloris and congratulated him after that miss.

Clear there were some psychological games going on.

 

[TomRad85]

Time to fish out my Chippo shirt for the semi final

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[Macca]

Is this right?