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[Deleted member 5849]

So what’s the argument against Messi being the greatest of all time at this point? His career to date:

One World Cup
One Copa America
Ten La Ligas
Four Champions Leagues
One Olympic Gold

474 La Liga goals (all-time record)
98 goals for Argentina (all-time record)
Six European Golden Boots (all-time record)
Seven Ballon d’Ors (all-time record)
Two World Cup Golden Balls (all-time record)

It's still Maradona for me - football's a team game, and the teams Maradona played for would have won nothing without him, such was his influence. That doesn't, however, mean Messi isn't up there - up until now I'd always been able to hold it against him that he hadn't done it really for his country, but they've won two trophies now, and he's certainly been influential in the world cup win.

 

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[Terry Gibson's perm]

To be honest, while Maradona was clearly the most skilful player of his generation, and had a truly magnetic personality (something which Messi doesn't have at all), how do you explain his comparative lack of achievements? I'm not sure it can just be "people tackled more then"...

Maradona played in the toughest league at the time when it was by far the hardest league in the world and probably one of the most competitive ever, Messi won a lot of his titles in pretty much a two team league.

How lucky Argentina are to be able to produce the two best players ever.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Still Maradona for me as the greatest of time.

Maradona would have been even better in this no tackling time would Messi have survived the 80’s very unlikely.

Best of his time yes best of all time no.

Messi did have to go up against Pepe and Sergio Ramos and they can dish it out with the best of them.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Politics aside I have enjoyed this World Cup and the last 50 mins of the final was incredible!

Not sure about another winter world cup though...

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The football has been great at times. Winter and Qatar still shit decisions though.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The football has been great at times. Winter and Qatar still shit decisions though.

I've come round to winter a bit. Not for me, but it is a world cup after all, so not just about what's best for us.

 

[clint van damme]

The football has been great at times. Winter and Qatar still shit decisions though.

It will almost certainly be in Saudi in my lifetime, definitely in yours.

 

[fernandopartridge]

So what’s the argument against Messi being the greatest of all time at this point? His career to date:

One World Cup
One Copa America
Ten La Ligas
Four Champions Leagues
One Olympic Gold

474 La Liga goals (all-time record)
98 goals for Argentina (all-time record)
Six European Golden Boots (all-time record)
Seven Ballon d’Ors (all-time record)
Two World Cup Golden Balls (all-time record)

I think it's probably more that he (until yesterday arguably) hadn't dragged two ordinary teams to great success (Napoli 87 and Argentina 86) unlike Maradona.

It's probably unfair to be honest as Messi has sustained himself as a top level player for longer and deserves credit for that.

 

[Evo1883]

I think it's probably more that he (until yesterday arguably) hadn't dragged two ordinary teams to great success (Napoli 87 and Argentina 86) unlike Maradona.

It's probably unfair to be honest as Messi has sustained himself as a top level player for longer and deserves credit for that.

This Argentina team have lost 1 match in the last 40 or so matches to be fair ..they are in relation to today's other sides , pretty good


I think they've lost 1 in 42 and won the copa America too in that run

Argentina in 85/86 had won 6 in 17 matches leading upto the world cup

 

[Mcbean]

About time it came here but of course we don’t have the brown envelope money

 

[Skybluefaz]

I've come round to winter a bit. Not for me, but it is a world cup after all, so not just about what's best for us.

Yeah that's a fair point.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So what’s the argument against Messi being the greatest of all time at this point? His career to date:

One World Cup
One Copa America
Ten La Ligas
Four Champions Leagues
One Olympic Gold

474 La Liga goals (all-time record)
98 goals for Argentina (all-time record)
Six European Golden Boots (all-time record)
Seven Ballon d’Ors (all-time record)
Two World Cup Golden Balls (all-time record)

You judge players by the eras in which they played. Do we consider Magnus Carlsen the best chess player of all time because he's held the world title for ages and has the highest rating, or accept that his predecessors had no computer engines to help, and less opening knowledge?

Is Messi as far ahead of his contemporaries as the other contenders were? Is he in a league of his own I'm not sure, but if he isn't it's a league of very few.

 

[ProfessorbyGrace]

Qatar 2022: enthralling group stages, big upsets, surprise underdog reaching the semifinals and France didn’t win it.

Call me crazy, but that made it pretty good in my book.


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[wingy]

Infantini needs taking out .
Talking about doing it every 3years.

 

[Mcbean]

Infantini needs taking out .
Talking about doing it every 3years.

Anything to fuck up the Euros and put more money in his sizeable pocket - he is a bad as the last two bent clowns

 

[wingy]

Southgate might need to listen to the Women's manager ."Let the player's be themselves", during interview.
Following an unbeaten 40 game run.

 

[SBAndy]

I’m sure everyone’s seen all the ‘Salt Bae’ stuff. What a narcissistic little whopper.

 

[itsabuzzard]

I’m sure everyone’s seen all the ‘Salt Bae’ stuff. What a narcissistic little whopper.

Classic Emperor's new clothes stuff. Risible.

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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

This is a bit weird.

Kalvin Phillips: Pep Guardiola says Man City midfielder was 'overweight' after World Cup

Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola says Kalvin Phillips was "overweight" when he returned to training from the World Cup.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[clint van damme]

This is a bit weird.

Kalvin Phillips: Pep Guardiola says Man City midfielder was 'overweight' after World Cup

Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola says Kalvin Phillips was "overweight" when he returned to training from the World Cup.

www.bbc.co.uk

Salt Bae got in to the England dressing room aswell then

 

[TomRad85]

This is a bit weird.

Kalvin Phillips: Pep Guardiola says Man City midfielder was 'overweight' after World Cup

Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola says Kalvin Phillips was "overweight" when he returned to training from the World Cup.

www.bbc.co.uk

Was never good enough for Man City. Very odd signing.

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[SBAndy]

Was never good enough for Man City. Very odd signing.

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Quota signing innit.

 

[stupot07]

Was never good enough for Man City. Very odd signing.

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massively overrated, like a lot of England players.

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[Tommo1993]

Speaking of that salt bae wanker…

 

[SBT]

May as well put this in here as it probably doesn’t merit a thread, but a truly batshit story about the US team - someone allegedly tried to blackmail the manager over a domestic violence incident when he was 18. Turns out that someone was Claudio Reyna, the dad of Gio Reyna who the manager had decided to bench…

Gio Reyna's mother gave USSF Berhalter info

Danielle Reyna, wife of Claudio and mother of Gio, says she told USSF about USMNT coach Gregg Berhalter's past domestic violence incident.

t.co

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

May as well put this in here as it probably doesn’t merit a thread, but a truly batshit story about the US team - someone allegedly tried to blackmail the manager over a domestic violence incident when he was 18. Turns out that someone was Claudio Reyna, the dad of Gio Reyna who the manager had decided to bench…

Gio Reyna's mother gave USSF Berhalter info

Danielle Reyna, wife of Claudio and mother of Gio, says she told USSF about USMNT coach Gregg Berhalter's past domestic violence incident.

t.co

If his wife can forgive him to the extent of having been happily married for 25 years, I think so can pretty much anyone else.