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[SBT]

“Win the pen” is a hell of a spin to put on it. He stood there and the French defender went mental and shoved him over. Hardly comparable to Saka or even Kanes that wasn’t given.

Lol - just admit that a player you don’t like did something valuable. My heart didn’t sing when Mount came on either but denying he had an impact on the game is just pig-headed.

 

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[Liquid Gold]

Yes. A competent manager who doesn’t stink of mediocrity

I don’t think Southgate is mediocre.

He’s a brilliant motivator and a poor tactician.

We’ve had managers that are brilliant tacticians and poor motivators.

We need the blend.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Lol - just admit that a player you don’t like did something valuable. My heart didn’t sing when Mount came on either but denying he had an impact on the game is just pig-headed.

Whatever or whoever, he collects another valiant loser's medal, in the footsteps of his manager

 

[SBT]

Whatever or whoever, he collects another valiant loser's medal, in the footsteps of his manager

Worst manager we’ve ever had, surely

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don’t think Southgate is mediocre.

He’s a brilliant motivator and a poor tactician.

We’ve had managers that are brilliant tacticians and poor motivators.

We need the blend.

Think it's clear we'd get one of Slippy G or Lampard

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Worst manager we’ve ever had, surely

Ultimately if we're going on your preferred philosophy of the results count more than anything else, he simply isn't capable of managing England against top tier international sides. Tonight just as befell Bobby Robson we flapped it from the penalty spot after our best performance of the tournament against likely the eventual winners.

It is time for Mr Marks and Spencer to exit the stage.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Think it's clear we'd get one of Slippy G or Lampard

I’d much rather stick if that was the twist

 

[SBT]

Ultimately if we're going on your preferred philosophy of the results count more than anything else, he simply isn't capable of managing England against top tier international sides. Tonight just as befell Bobby Robson we flapped it from the penalty spot after our best performance of the tournament against likely the eventual winners.

It is time for Mr Marks and Spencer to exit the stage.

I don’t disagree, but I think given the horrendous record of previous managers who didn’t even manage to reach the “mediocre” heights that Our Gareth has reached, he deserves a bit more respect. I think he’s left his eventual successor with some important lessons about how to manage a team through a tournament - something that managers like Capello, Sven, Woy and others failed to do miserably.

 

[nicksar]

I’d much rather stick if that was the twist

100% that will not happen.

 

[Evo1883]

I don’t think Southgate is mediocre.

He’s a brilliant motivator and a poor tactician.

We’ve had managers that are brilliant tacticians and poor motivators.

We need the blend.

He also has his favourite players , which we have to also attribute again , another England manager , to their downfall .

Example: Maddison , based on every single metric of what is required to play for your country , has been treated dreadfully by the national team manager for more than a couple of years now

Nothing motivational there

 

[Liquid Gold]

Pochetino if he’s not weirdly anti English.

Ibwouldnt be against a stab at Jose weirdly.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I’d much rather stick if that was the twist

Well currently we have a very nice man who ends up leaving top tier opponents very happy indeed. But this isn’t dissimilar from who’s gone before him.

Eddie Howe is probably the best shout but good luck luring him away from the best club job he’ll ever get.

 

[Evo1883]

Next WC tournament James maddison will be 30 ? Southgate has treated the lad dreadfully over his tenure

What a waste of talent , worse players got many many caps

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Pochetino if he’s not weirdly anti English.

Ibwouldnt be against a stab at Jose weirdly.

The Portuguese Pulis-no thanks. I’d go in for Howe and see what he thinks of joint managing the national side and his club.

 

[shmmeee]

I don’t think Southgate is mediocre.

He’s a brilliant motivator and a poor tactician.

We’ve had managers that are brilliant tacticians and poor motivators.

We need the blend.

Is he? The players don’t look motivated and he constantly talks us down. I saw very little fight from England this tournament.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don’t disagree, but I think given the horrendous record of previous managers who didn’t even manage to reach the “mediocre” heights that Our Gareth has reached, he deserves a bit more respect. I think he’s left his eventual successor with some important lessons about how to manage a team through a tournament - something that managers like Capello, Sven, Woy and others failed to do miserably.

Sven lost two penalty shootouts and the third against Brazil was pretty much David Seaman’s clanger. He is of course foreign though and seemed a bit boring so he gets less of a pass than Gareth despite inheriting a total mess from Keegan.

Agreed on Capello and Hodgson thought if Lampard’s goal had correctly stood against Germany, who knows how that one would’ve turned out. Then there’s Shteve who is probably best left forgotten.

 

[Evo1883]

I still think people overlook how poor the international stage is right now and has been for a good 6 -8 years ..

England quite literally blew a chance of a generation on Gareth Southgate, its hard to take .

He has a good win ratio though

See I'm starting now

 

[Liquid Gold]

Is he? The players don’t look motivated and he constantly talks us down. I saw very little fight from England this tournament.

I’m sure he is.

The difference in attitude now from Hodgson is night and day.

 

[SBT]

He also has his favourite players , which we have to also attribute again , another England manager , to their downfall .

Example: Maddison , based on every single metric of what is required to play for your country , has been treated dreadfully by the national team manager for more than a couple of years now

Nothing motivational there

While I agree with you that Maddison has got a raw deal, Southgate’s focus on continuity and togetherness has allowed a team with glaring holes to perform much better than it sometimes deserved to at tournaments.

 

[shmmeee]

Lol - just admit that a player you don’t like did something valuable. My heart didn’t sing when Mount came on either but denying he had an impact on the game is just pig-headed.

I know your this is your shtick but I didn’t say anything about him impacting the game or not. I said it was ridiculous to give him credit for winning a penalty. Just like it would be if someone crossed the ball in and a CB decided to pluck it out the air. It was a moment of madness and we had little to do with it.

 

[Evo1883]

While I agree with you that Maddison has got a raw deal, Southgate’s focus on continuity and togetherness has allowed a team with glaring holes to perform much better than it sometimes deserved to at tournaments.

At this point , Southgate to you , is what Alex ferguson is to manchester united fans .


I don't understand people like you and never will
No disrespect, he's failed

 

[shmmeee]

While I agree with you that Maddison has got a raw deal, Southgate’s focus on continuity and togetherness has allowed a team with glaring holes to perform much better than it sometimes deserved to at tournaments.

Which of the games on that list earlier do you think we should have lost?

 

[shmmeee]

Would you describe our recent records in tournaments as mediocre?

Yes

 

[SBT]

Sven lost two penalty shootouts and the third against Brazil was pretty much David Seaman’s clanger. He is of course foreign though and seemed a bit boring so he gets less of a pass than Gareth despite inheriting a total mess from Keegan.

Agreed on Capello and Hodgson thought if Lampard’s goal had correctly stood against Germany, who knows how that one would’ve turned out. Then there’s Shteve who is probably best left forgotten.

Sven has a pretty good rep as far as I can tell, and Southgate’s teams also got fucked over twice on penalties, so I’m not calling much of a difference between them in terms of results.

 

[shmmeee]

Sven has a pretty good rep as far as I can tell, and Southgate’s teams also got fucked over twice on penalties, so I’m not calling much of a difference between them in terms of results.

You can’t really compare any way. As Neville said today this team has the players to go toe to toe with the top sides and his never did. You judge a manager by whether they get the team performing above the sum of their parts and Southgate doesn’t.

 

[Evo1883]

Sven has a pretty good rep as far as I can tell, and Southgate’s teams also got fucked over twice on penalties, so I’m not calling much of a difference between them in terms of results.

Apart from the fact that sven managed in an era with more than 1 good international team ?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Sven has a pretty good rep as far as I can tell, and Southgate’s teams also got fucked over twice on penalties, so I’m not calling much of a difference between them in terms of results.

You just put him in the same bracket as Hodgson.

 

[SBT]

At this point , Southgate to you , is what Alex ferguson is to manchester united fans .


I don't understand people like you and never will
No disrespect, he's failed

What?! Alex Ferguson is a managerial legend who built a true dynasty; Southgate is a limited coach who’s nevertheless taken a flawed England team to their best tournament showing in decades. I’ve never said the man’s a genius, but I do think the backlash against him is hysterical and unfair.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You can’t really compare any way. As Neville said today this team has the players to go toe to toe with the top sides and his never did. You judge a manager by whether they get the team performing above the sum of their parts and Southgate doesn’t.

I think Neville is covering his arse there. We had a pretty strong side during his time.

 

[Evo1883]

What?! Alex Ferguson is a managerial legend who built a true dynasty; Southgate is a limited coach who’s nevertheless taken a flawed England team to their best tournament showing in decades. I’ve never said the man’s a genius, but I do think the backlash against him is hysterical and unfair.

My friend, Mark robins could have guided those players to those tournament finishes , the run ins were so painfully easy

He got it wrong when it mattered

3 times

Today he gets a pass because I actually think he did get it right

 

[SBT]

You can’t really compare any way. As Neville said today this team has the players to go toe to toe with the top sides and his never did. You judge a manager by whether they get the team performing above the sum of their parts and Southgate doesn’t.

Southgate absolutely got the team performing above their station in 2018 and 2021 imo. For a team with crap CBs and middling DMs to reach the semi-final/final was an achievement.

 

[Liquid Gold]

He made us respectable and I love him for it

Just need someone else to take us further

 

[Evo1883]

Southgate absolutely got the team performing above their station in 2018 and 2021 imo. For a team with crap CBs and middling DMs to reach the semi-final/final was an achievement.

We played almost all the games at home and were tournament favourites for most of it

 

[Evo1883]

Well atleast it's over , we can move on from this period of sustained success and good luck to the next manager who has to follow Gareth

 

[shmmeee]

I think Neville is covering his arse there. We had a pretty strong side during his time.

He’s right though. We were always backs to the wall and hanging on and today we dominated the game against arguably the best team in the world.