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It'd mean we were leaving poorer people to die - I wouldn't call that interesting!
fernandopartridge
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All the private health insurance enthusiasts will love it until they need it for anything other than very basic elective care
dutchman
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Not for a private individual but they may do for those in a group scheme?
robbiekeane
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Bro respectfully you have no fucking idea how lucky you are
Sbarcher
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Just recovering from a new hip. 10 weeks from referral to the operating table. It should have been 5 weeks but original op day got cancelled at last minute. Fantastic service fro Oxford Health Trust.
Nick, you are free to check if there are quicker routes at other Health Trusts, you do not have to stick with your local authority.
Nick, you are free to check if there are quicker routes at other Health Trusts, you do not have to stick with your local authority.
Nick
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The only luck I have sort of had so far is that I have worked fucking hard to scrape some extra money together to sort issues myself previously.
Don't doubt for some people the NHS is a lifesaver (literally) but if you're in between dying and "have some anti biotics" then you're on your own. (in my experience and people close to me, anyway)
Nick
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Ohhhh how do you use the referral to look for appointments at other Trusts?
shmmeee
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Have you got the online booking thing? That’s where I could choose
Nick
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Yeah I did that and it only gave me the option for Cov after I put the passcode etc etc in. Then it said no appointments to pick, so they send a letter.
shmmeee
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Huh. I remember getting at least Nuneaton and UHCW options.
Sbarcher
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Your choices in the NHS
Find out about your right to choose where you have your NHS treatment.
www.nhs.uk
The other option is to go private for just the referral, this often helps to "grease" the waiting time for any treatment.
robbiekeane
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The luck you have had is that you were born in a country that has national healthcare. You’ve never had to worry about paying for drugs, doctors visits/appointments, your partner giving birth, and generally getting old.
It has its problems for sure and in recent years it’s underfunded but “fuck the NHS” or whatever, mental and narrow minded
robbiekeane
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Hope you’re okay and it gets sorted anyway. I think this is just a rant thread
Nick
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Don't get free drugs sadly.
Maybe if I had different circumstances and knew how to milk it and play the game I might think different.
robbiekeane
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I didn’t say free, I just said worry about paying for them. The poorest people get them free and others pay a minimal fee as they are heavily heavily subsidised
take a look at drug prices in the US
Nick
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This is what I mean. If I knew how to milk it I'd be in there getting 35p painkillers for free
(Thats a joke...)
Nick
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Genuine question, how does tax etc work in the US?
Just did a quick calculator online and the tax difference is huge between what I pay here and what I'd pay there.
robbiekeane
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The tax rate is extremely low because they’re a much lower levels of welfare for people, and a fully privatised healthcare system. Salaries are significantly higher for a similar reason as well as the fact you don’t have mandatory employee benefits (e.g. mandatory pension contributions and amount of holiday per year is very different). Massive income inequality too which is great if you have a good job, not so much if you’re stuck at the other end.
I sort of think of it like if everyone was a contractor rather than an employee. In the UK you earn a tonne if you’re a contractor but get none of the benefits etc.
One of the issues with the UK at the minute is that people want US levels of taxation with European levels of welfare and those things don’t add up
Terry_dactyl
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In terms of tax/welfare in the US I’ve always thought that they do essentially pay the equivalent amounts in taxes, just to insurance companies. I guess the difference is they can choose whether to pay health insurance or not?
robbiekeane
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No, they pay less overall in taxes because there’s very little welfare, health insurance is tied to your employer and almost unaffordable on its own (I.e. if not provided by your employer). Don’t get me wrong it’s not Switzerland, but it’s definitely a lot less than UK.
Everywhere you look responsibility for everything is given back to the individual.
Road tolls is a good one - tolls absolutely everywhere so if you use it you pay, if you don’t you don’t.
Tax returns - most employers “deduct” tax as you earn it but it’s only an estimate, you then have to file a big ass tax return every year. Your responsibility. Need some help? Pay someone to help you. Get it wrong? Go to jail lol
chiefdave
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And if you need a shit ton of medication like I do at the moment you can pay a monthly fee which is about a tenner a month that covers as many prescriptions as you need
I don't know how anyone looks at the US and thinks that's what we should aspire to in terms of healthcare
shmmeee
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Yeah the missus is on more pills than Pac-Man and reckons even in the Netherlands she’d be massively out of pocket compared to here.
thekidfromstrettoncamp
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Said before on here chemist shuts when I get mine(He has had a great day )So greatful i'am the wrong side of sixty in getting my drugs
JAM See
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I used to work with a bloke who came over from the USA.
He said that tax was less, but after healthcare costs the UK was cheaper for him.
He didn't pay the maximum, so if him or a family member got cancer or some other similar disease, he was basically fucked.
thekidfromstrettoncamp
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My current moan is the length of time to complete roadworks . The bridge at Ansty and the triple four from griff island come to mind.I've seen complete by passes built included bridges in less time.
Nick
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Is that bridge still broken?
JAM See
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I know. It's really frustrating.
Look at them Quatari's, they can throw up a whole world cup infrastructure in no time.
There was a few casualties along the way mind, but hey ho. They got things done.
Bugsy
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Online delivery.
Bought some boots online. They’ve arrived, really smart, but they’ve sent a size bigger than I ordered. No worries just send them back and order again, except now my size is out of stockAnd they seem to be out of stock everywhere.
Quick fix...
Wear some football socks with them
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It's not a choice for many, as it's not affordable.
Most US doctors are very critical of their system because the effect is that a large proportion of the population have no access to health care except emergency care. So this means that people either wait until it is too late or clog up emergency care unnecessarily. It is a terrible system and they are very envious of the NHS and European systems.
Also many people find their insurance doesn't cover them when they seek treatment. The insurance companies won't insure people with serious health conditions unless they pay massively. We really do not want a US type system here.
If you go to the US don't get unwell.
thekidfromstrettoncamp
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Don't get where you are coming from with that comment if it's meant to be sarcarm.I would not want to see any worker die constructing anything and with health and safety in this country being so good no reason why they should.I cannot speak for the way things are done in Qatar.I have said this World Cup should never have been played there.