Do you want to discuss boring politics? (87 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

Would be nice to have some sort of breakdown of where every penny of our taxes go. I know there's a bit of one with Council Tax but in terms of all the other taxes.

I'd be much more inclined to pay more if they said I'd be supporting Sharon and Mark the nurses.

You can get one on HMRC government gateway I think. I tried to look and couldn’t get past security though

 

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[Nick]

It doesn't, but again in the re-balancing, it has to be spelled out that paying more taxes can often save people money, too. Some of the 'soft' areas for example, such as social work. Get youths occupied and valued with some proper schemes, they're less likely to break into your house or nick your car for a joyride, so therefore your insurance comes down as a result.

But somebody has to pay for those schemes!

The issue with that is most things don't come down as a result, sadly. It would just mean a nicer profit for insurance companies.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I think there’s a bit of a scam going on though where the people who would actually be worse off pretend it’s about the every day people. I’m sure I saw somewhere that most people are net takers from the state below something like £25k. Then you get that bloke on £80k whining about paying £15/mo more so we can pay nurses or offer free education.

Honestly my disposable income goes on entertainment and food delivery. Please take it for public services!

I'm never likely to get to £80k, unlike Keiran, because I dared to get a PhD in a non-sexy / non-business subject but I never do understand why people begrudge paying more, the more money that have.

Maybe, however, that's why they earn more in the first place, because they're more motivated by money than I am!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

As asmall aside, and it'll be niche viewing given its political slant, and the fact it's an hour but Ian Hislop's review of the year chimes with mine pretty well, and he sums up certain positions rather well.

 

[shmmeee]

I'm never likely to get to £80k, unlike Keiran, because I dared to get a PhD in a non-sexy / non-business subject but I never do understand why people begrudge paying more, the more money that have.

Maybe, however, that's why they earn more in the first place, because they're more motivated by money than I am!

Oh you definitely get more right wing. See my thread last year about tax on bonuses. But really like student loans income tax and the like is just factored in. I pay more tax than my NHS worker GF earns each month.

I know other well paid people like me who basically subsidise a low paid public sector partner so in the grand scheme of things I’d probably work out the same

But if I’m honest if my tax rate went up by say 1% I doubt I’d notice it. Maybe I’d drop down to a lower Netflix tier or get one less pizza. So what?

 

[Nick]

Maybe, however, that's why they earn more in the first place, because they're more motivated by money than I am!

I am sort of the same, wish I wasn't sometimes. As long as I am comfortable and not struggling I just coast but then crank things up if needed.

Then you have the sort of people who will apply for promotions and new jobs every 2 months to get higher and higher. Sounds like stress.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

You can get one on HMRC government gateway I think. I tried to look and couldn’t get past security though

You’re correct

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I pay more tax than my NHS worker GF earns each month.

 

[shmmeee]

BRB screenshotting my bank accounts.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Would be nice to have some sort of breakdown of where every penny of our taxes go. I know there's a bit of one with Council Tax but in terms of all the other taxes.

I'd be much more inclined to pay more if they said I'd be supporting Sharon and Mark the nurses.

Tax collected by HMRC doesn't pay for spending in any direct way, it's utter nonsense peddled by politicians. If anything it is the other way around, spending pays for tax.

 

[Sick Boy]

When we were in Italy over Easter it was a mixed bag but on the whole the high speed rail in particular was fantastic, frequent and as we booked in advance the prices were very good value.

Look here for how we still can’t get one high speed line built despite ploughing in tens of billions.

The regionale trains aren’t great but they’re a fraction of a cost of the UK and generally on time.
The high speed trains are superior to those in the UK and probably around half the price. I got down to Napoli (5 hour journey) for €120 return travelling in Business class - imagine that in the UK.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The regionale trains aren’t great but they’re a fraction of a cost of the UK and generally on time.
The high speed trains are superior to those in the UK and probably around half the price. I got down to Napoli (5 hour journey) for €120 return travelling in Business class - imagine that in the UK.

For us we got to go with our own cabinetto first class from Bologna to Rome in 2 hours for around €20 each. Then also got business class Rome to Naples in just over an hour, even cheaper.

 

[PVA]

You can get one on HMRC government gateway I think. I tried to look and couldn’t get past security though

I did not know this but just had a look and you're right!

Bit depressing seeing how much money I contributed to paying off national debt interest.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I did not know this but just had a look and you're right!

Bit depressing seeing how much money I contributed to paying off national debt interest.

National debt interest = private sector savings such as pensions, i wouldn't think about it like an external debt because it isn't

 

[Nick]

The regionale trains aren’t great but they’re a fraction of a cost of the UK and generally on time.
The high speed trains are superior to those in the UK and probably around half the price. I got down to Napoli (5 hour journey) for €120 return travelling in Business class - imagine that in the UK.

I went on one in Romania, about a fiver for 3 hours. Comfy seat with plug socket.

 

[Nick]

I did not know this but just had a look and you're right!

Bit depressing seeing how much money I contributed to paying off national debt interest.

Have you got a link

 

[chiefdave]

What does Business and Industry cover?

 

[chiefdave]

Have you got a link

Check how the government spends your taxes — Annual Tax Summary

Check how the government calculates and spends your Income Tax and National Insurance contributions within your Annual Tax Summary.

www.gov.uk

 

[wingy]

I think the internet also has a part to play in the lack of community in general now too. Sometimes a good thing, sometimes a bad thing.

Isolationary trends have always been a negative to what are in the main social human beings .
We aren't meant to live as automatons.

 

[SBT]

Good article here for those still interested in the European Parliament stuff: Parliament of loopholes: Why the Qatar scandal was inevitable

 

[wingy]

Monetary orthodoxy.
BOE interest hike.
What do they not understand.
Wa**kers.

 

[wingy]

What a slimy liar Barclay is.
There is no shortage of penicillin.

 

[clint van damme]

Oh dear

 

[Skybluefaz]

 

[clint van damme]

Serves the c**t right for voting tory!

 

[Nick]

Oh dear

 

[Sick Boy]

Oh dear

 

[skybluetony176]

Oh dear

Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t train drivers have their own trade union? So not the RMT.

 

[skybluetony176]

Are they just stupid or do they think everyone else is?



I think it’s both. I think they’re stupid enough to think everyone else is stupid so the go on TV making outrageous claims because they don’t think anyone is clever enough to fact check.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t train drivers have their own trade union? So not the RMT.

Correct they’re in ASLEF

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Elon Musk finding the problem that many free speech gimps end up finding, that it's all very well until people take advantage of that to do things that you don't like...

Twitter condemned by UN and EU over reporters’ ban

The United Nations joins the EU in warning Elon Musk over a "disturbing" move to suspend journalists.

www.bbc.co.uk

The main account that offended him used publicly available data at that...

 

[skybluetony176]

Elon Musk finding the problem that many free speech gimps end up finding, that it's all very well until people take advantage of that to do things that you don't like...

Twitter condemned by UN and EU over reporters’ ban

The United Nations joins the EU in warning Elon Musk over a "disturbing" move to suspend journalists.

www.bbc.co.uk

The main account that offended him used publicly available data at that...

Cancel culture gone mad.

 

[chiefdave]

Are they just stupid or do they think everyone else is?

Remember when there was loads of posts on here saying one of the reasons Labour was doing so badly was that they treated voters like idiots

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Remember when there was loads of posts on here saying one of the reasons Labour was doing so badly was that they treated voters like idiots

The brass balls of someone to say to a prospective voter that the business they are an expert in and his lived experience is wrong in a bbc programme. Wow. Truly the age of experts is dead

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The brass balls of someone to say to a prospective voter that the business they are an expert in and his lived experience is wrong in a bbc programme. Wow. Truly the age of experts is dead

I never thought I'd find myself defending Rees-Mogg(!) but he was defending the government's position on specifics, namely focussing on an Australia deal, and taxation causing issues rather than Brexit. Now, he studiously avoided the issues with trading with the EU and its complexities, but his answer was nothing I wouldn't expect a politician to do - focus on the things that make it look better.