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chiefdave

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Grow up you utter child. The Equality Act 2010 provides legal recourse in the UK for an equal pay claim. I'm not going to bother arguing with you anymore as you clearly do not understand the relationship between UK law and EU law.
Isn't the problem that 50 years of case law is being wiped out overnight and this is what the legal system relies on to function

And that in addition to that anything in existing UK legislation, such as the Equality Act, will have had case law applied in a manner that means it is compliant with the relevant EU law, with the relevant EU law no longer being applied that case law may no longer apply
 

skybluetony176

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The Equality Act will still exist, it is on the UK statute book.
Didn’t Rishi Sunak in his hustings to become Tory leader say he would review it? The answer is yes by the way. Dominic Raab openly doesn’t believe in it, Rees-Mogg openly doesn’t believe in holiday pay and sees brexit as an opportunity to scrap it, Tory back benchers, party members and the right wing press largely want it repealed. And I ain’t even scratching the surface there with what the Tories you empowered think about it and want to do with it. It’s viewed by them as a Gordon Brown vanity project designed to be put on the books to promote Labour values. You’re seriously gullible if you don’t think it’s vulnerable to the Tories. Seriously gullible. You accuse me of being childish but your childlike naivety is astounding.
 
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CCFCSteve

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The equality act of 2010 was brought in to replicate an EU directive into UK law. That is the relationship between UK law and EU. Or should I say was. You voted to do away with that.

To be fair I’m guessing he voted for the U.K. to be able to put in place whatever laws we want. If we don’t like what’s being put in place we can vote out the government every few years to change it. Our democracy shouldnt need another layer of law or interpretation from elsewhere. That’s not to say it’s perfect but nor is the ECJ/EU

I’m no expert on the EU (although did research before the vote) so happy to be corrected, however, I’m not aware of any referendum that voted for that situation in the first place

ps do we really think any really bad stuff will get through the Lords ?! People need to calm down a little bit.
 

skybluetony176

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To be fair I’m guessing he voted for the U.K. to be able to put in place whatever laws we want. If we don’t like what’s being put in place we can vote out the government every few years to change it. Our democracy shouldnt need another layer of law or interpretation from elsewhere. That’s not to say it’s perfect but nor is the ECJ/EU

I’m no expert on the EU (although did research before the vote) so happy to be corrected, however, I’m not aware of any referendum that voted for that situation in the first place

ps do we really think any really bad stuff will get through the Lords ?! People need to calm down a little bit.
You mean the Lords that’s been flooded with dinosaur brexit fundamentalists like Ian Botham? People need to wake up. You put your faith in Ian Botham if you like but I think the majority of the country are waking up to what brexit really means.
 

CCFCSteve

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You mean the Lords that’s been flooded with dinosaur brexit fundamentalists like Ian Botham? People need to wake up. You put your faith in Ian Botham if you like but I think the majority of the country are waking up to what brexit really means.

The lords is a shitshow but I don’t see any really harmful stuff ever getting though.
 

skybluetony176

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The lords is a shitshow but I don’t see any really harmful stuff ever getting though.
You’re rather naively assuming that your definition of harmful mirrors what the sycophants Boris put in there have as a definition as harmful. They think of harmful in the terms of the effects on big business not the common man.
 

clint van damme

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To be fair I’m guessing he voted for the U.K. to be able to put in place whatever laws we want. If we don’t like what’s being put in place we can vote out the government every few years to change it. Our democracy shouldnt need another layer of law or interpretation from elsewhere. That’s not to say it’s perfect but nor is the ECJ/EU

I’m no expert on the EU (although did research before the vote) so happy to be corrected, however, I’m not aware of any referendum that voted for that situation in the first place

ps do we really think any really bad stuff will get through the Lords ?! People need to calm down a little bit.

The old, 'yeah, they can do it but they won't' defence.
That's great until they do do it.

Just like eroding the right to strike, the right to peaceful protest etc.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Life’s hard enough without worrying about a load of ifs, buts and maybes that I’ve currently got no control over
But in future life will be even tougher because we're not worrying about if's, but's and maybe's that have become is's, are's and definite's.
 

fernandopartridge

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Didn’t Rishi Sunak in his hustings to become Tory leader say he would review it? The answer is yes by the way. Dominic Raab openly doesn’t believe in it, Rees-Mogg openly doesn’t believe in holiday pay and sees brexit as an opportunity to scrap it, Tory back benchers, party members and the right wing press largely want it repealed. And I ain’t even scratching the surface there with what the Tories you empowered think about it and want to do with it. It’s viewed by them as a Gordon Brown vanity project designed to be put on the books to promote Labour values. You’re seriously gullible if you don’t think it’s vulnerable to the Tories. Seriously gullible. You accuse me of being childish but your childlike naivety is astounding.
Stop moving the goalposts, one minute you're saying that outside of the EU there are no protections for equal pay and now you're admitting there are but they're vulnerable.

I'm not the gullible clown who voted Tory and UKIP, you are.
 

skybluetony176

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Stop moving the goalposts, one minute you're saying that outside of the EU there are no protections for equal pay and now you're admitting there are but they're vulnerable.

I'm not the gullible clown who voted Tory and UKIP, you are.
They’re vulnerable because we left the EU. They’re not even hiding it, they’re being very brazen about.

you can label me a clown all you like but only one of us has aligned ourselves with UKIP and by doing so you’re the one that enabled the Tory government we’ve enjoyed since 2016. Your vote in the referendum was a De facto vote for the Tory party that followed. You did as much to keep Corbyn out as anyone.
 

fernandopartridge

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They’re vulnerable because we left the EU. They’re not even hiding it, they’re being very brazen about.

you can label me a clown all you like but only one of us has aligned ourselves with UKIP and by doing so you’re the one that enabled the Tory government we’ve enjoyed since 2016. Your vote in the referendum was a De facto vote for the Tory party that followed. You did as much to keep Corbyn out as anyone.
Embarrassing
 

Grendel

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Embarrassing

Are we repealing the act? So no non discrimination laws for anyone at all. Blimey

Still I assume that’s the same as every other country not overseen by the EU legislation
 

fernandopartridge

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Are we repealing the act? So no non discrimination laws for anyone at all. Blimey

Still I assume that’s the same as every other country not overseen by the EU legislation
There EA isn't derived directly from EU legislation in any case, the Equality Act derived from existing UK law.

It's quite funny really, people like Tony who argued that the EU was only about free trade now arguing it was about much more than that.
 

Grendel

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There EA isn't derived directly from EU legislation in any case, the Equality Act derived from existing UK law.

It's quite funny really, people like Tony who argued that the EU was only about free trade now arguing it was about much more than that.

yes it was a way of merging numerous acts into one for simplification more than anything and nothing to do with the EU

I assume even if Labour are elected Tony would not trust the U.K. government to be responsible enough and needs Brussels to educate on such legislation and tell us standards Mr Starmer isn’t capable of thinking of or be trusted to act on
 

skybluetony176

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yes it was a way of merging numerous acts into one for simplification more than anything and nothing to do with the EU

I assume even if Labour are elected Tony would not trust the U.K. government to be responsible enough and needs Brussels to educate on such legislation and tell us standards Mr Starmer isn’t capable of thinking of or be trusted to act on
Ironically it’s FP who thinks that Starmer can’t be trusted. Even more ironic given he’s put his faith in the Tories.
 

skybluetony176

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No, I've put my faith in the electorate as ultimately they will decide what does or doesn't become law. I'm sorry that you hate my faith in democracy.
You’ve literally voted in a referendum that by your own admission didn’t deliver (just in the brief of the referendum) what you voted for. Reason being. It’s politicians that decided what yours and everyone else’s vote meant. That enabled Boris as PM and Boris to deliver brexit and all the polls say what he delivered was a failure. Even the hardest brexiteers think (actually more than anyone) that he betrayed their vote. The minute they get in they can do what they like, especially with the majority that brexit delivered them. You can’t really be this naive. You’re clearly an intellectual bloke and when it comes to matters like the running of the NHS you’re bang on the button. Listening to what you say on it actually in part convinced me to vote for Corbyn so I know you’re capable of clear thinking but on this you’re letting a failed ideology cloud your judgement. You’re lost.
 

shmmeee

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Didn’t Rishi Sunak in his hustings to become Tory leader say he would review it? The answer is yes by the way. Dominic Raab openly doesn’t believe in it, Rees-Mogg openly doesn’t believe in holiday pay and sees brexit as an opportunity to scrap it, Tory back benchers, party members and the right wing press largely want it repealed. And I ain’t even scratching the surface there with what the Tories you empowered think about it and want to do with it. It’s viewed by them as a Gordon Brown vanity project designed to be put on the books to promote Labour values. You’re seriously gullible if you don’t think it’s vulnerable to the Tories. Seriously gullible. You accuse me of being childish but your childlike naivety is astounding.

Luckily it takes more than a handful of ERG nutters to revoke it.
 

clint van damme

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Interesting thread. I wonder what makes the anglosphere such an outlier.



Perhaps our right wing politicians have become too right wing in comparrison with their mainland counterparts which is what's putting them off?
No idea if true, just a thought.
 

shmmeee

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the biggest surprise to me is gen x being more right wing than boomers were at this point

That’s in the West as a whole, not anywhere difference in the U.K. TBF and had a move leftwards younger the Boomers didn’t have. Would be interesting to see some key events like the GFC graphed alongside.
 

skybluetony176

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It's because energy contracts are purchased in advance so still have to be paid for at the prices charged by speculators when they were at their highest.
Funny how we never see the benefits of that when the prices are going up. It’s almost as if the market is loaded against the consumer.
 

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