Doug King Takeover (8 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

It was a cheeky see what happens bid wasn’t it.

Everything would suggest despite the fans opinions the people who actually own the club don’t see the stadium as key unless it’s an absolute bargain.

I'd have still appreciated him having a think about where we were playing next season and how to go about it before buying the club, though.

You know, reassurance and all that.

 

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[shmmeee]

You need a pitch to play on.

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And we rent one. That’s exactly my point. Our owners don’t seem to think owning a pitch is anything like as important as fans assume.

 

[Senior Vick from Alicante]

And we rent one. That’s exactly my point. Our owners don’t seem to think owning a pitch is anything like as important as fans assume.

You can go as far to say whats the point of owning a football ground in modern times, gate receipts at places like Man City and Chelsea have no bearing on what they spend, its the sponsorship and off field activities that need to generate more cash. As a club could we afford to run a stadium that has been loss making? Maybe the "we need our own ground to make money" statements from Sisu were a red herring?

 

[clint van damme]

You can go as far to say whats the point of owning a football ground in modern times, gate receipts at places like Man City and Chelsea have no bearing on what they spend, its the sponsorship and off field activities that need to generate more cash. As a club could we afford to run a stadium that has been loss making? Maybe the "we need our own ground to make money" statements from Sisu were a red herring?

We're not man city or Chelsea.
Gate receipts have a massive bearing on what we spend.

 

[Senior Vick from Alicante]

We're not man city or Chelsea.
Gate receipts have a massive bearing on what we spend.

I agree they are, what I am saying is will they be diluted if we have a ground with a mortgage and day to day running costs. 13000 season tickets at the early bird price is £4.5 million, if you negotiate half a million rent a year the rest goes towards improving the squad and servicing wages. Owning the CBS just diminishes that pot its whether Dk wants the money in the playing staff or bricks and mortar. If you have a long lease you have a fixed cost.

 

[clint van damme]

I agree they are, what I am saying is will they be diluted if we have a ground with a mortgage and day to day running costs. 13000 season tickets at the early bird price is £4.5 million, if you negotiate half a million rent a year the rest goes towards improving the squad and servicing wages. Owning the CBS just diminishes that pot its whether Dk wants the money in the playing staff or bricks and mortar. If you have a long lease you have a fixed cost.

It's a decent point, but what would you consider a long lease?
The ten year one with the insects was too short in my opinion and ultimately wasn't worth the paper it was written on.

 

[SkyblueDad]

Tho owners of the stadium were bust, FG saw an opportunity to get it very cheap and moved in, if the sell it on they will p

Dont you have to pay about half a mil a season. Would much rather that spent on the playing squad

So close the academy down then ?

 

[Calista]

You can go as far to say whats the point of owning a football ground in modern times, gate receipts at places like Man City and Chelsea have no bearing on what they spend, its the sponsorship and off field activities that need to generate more cash. As a club could we afford to run a stadium that has been loss making? Maybe the "we need our own ground to make money" statements from Sisu were a red herring?

They presented it in terms of CCFC needing to own a stadium as a reliable source of additional income / profit to help fund the football. Neither the Arena nor the pretended new stadium were ever likely to do that, and the transparent agenda was that they wanted to pick up real estate for next to nothing. Having wasted more than a decade of our time distressing first the Council and then Wasps, they have finally given up, having been blown out of the water by the big boys. Maybe retaining the 15% was just a way of reducing the humiliation by making the exit in two steps?

 

[Senior Vick from Alicante]

It's a decent point, but what would you consider a long lease?
The ten year one with the insects was too short in my opinion and ultimately wasn't worth the paper it was written on.

I would try and negotiate a 20 year lease with 4 year break clauses so you can reassess where you are, that way if we reach the promised land you would expect the cost to go up and like wise if you get relegated it can go down. Fraser group would then have a fixed income for there accounts which helps them budget for a fixed period and we have a set cost. They would probably want to insert something if you manged to achieve promotion early but to build the way DK and MR want 4 years seems about right if you are tying players down to longer contracts. I just think that running a stadium like the CBS is a distraction from what we really want which is success on the pitch. Tottenham have one of the nicest stadiums in world football but the fans are still unhappy because they want to see them doing well on the pitch.

 

[Senior Vick from Alicante]

They presented it in terms of CCFC needing to own a stadium as a reliable source of additional income / profit to help fund the football. Neither the Arena nor the pretended new stadium were ever likely to do that, and the transparent agenda was that they wanted to pick up real estate for next to nothing. Having wasted more than a decade of our time distressing first the Council and then Wasps, they have finally given up, having been blown out of the water by the big boys. Maybe retaining the 15% was just a way of reducing the humiliation by making the exit in two steps?

Buying a distressed debt means your always going to get a kicking from the big boys at some point. With us they were looking for a quick profit that never arrived, when you are buying something for a quid you aren't bidding against the likes of Fraser Group. One would suggest that you dont have a lot of money in the first place unless you have a consistent record of turning things round for onward sale. The divorce was always going to happen, it just took longer than we all wanted.

 

[Nick]

Buying a distressed debt means your always going to get a kicking from the big boys at some point. With us they were looking for a quick profit that never arrived, when you are buying something for a quid you aren't bidding against the likes of Fraser Group. One would suggest that you dont have a lot of money in the first place unless you have a consistent record of turning things round for onward sale. The divorce was always going to happen, it just took longer than we all wanted.

Isn't that was Fraser Group specialise in?

 

[itsabuzzard]

And we rent one. That’s exactly my point. Our owners don’t seem to think owning a pitch is anything like as important as fans assume.

I take your point. Not the way I'd do things though, if I was in the fortunate position of buying the club.

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[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

Tho owners of the stadium were bust, FG saw an opportunity to get it very cheap and moved in, if the sell it on they will p
So close the academy down then ?

No, keep it as it is, as I’d rather them play as is than pay a premium for the same football

 

[fernandopartridge]

It was a cheeky see what happens bid wasn’t it.

Everything would suggest despite the fans opinions the people who actually own the club don’t see the stadium as key unless it’s an absolute bargain.

The club wants / needs the benefits of owning the stadium but those benefits are not exclusive to ownership. Hopefully this means that long term security at the arena is on its way.

 

[Senior Vick from Alicante]

Isn't that was Fraser Group specialise in?

Unlike Sisu they Know what theyre doing though Nick.

 

[SkyblueDad]

It's a decent point, but what would you consider a long lease?
The ten year one with the insects was too short in my opinion and ultimately wasn't worth the paper it was written on.

My betting is the proposed rent is known, surely one of first things he’d have to know.

 

[Grendel]

It's a decent point, but what would you consider a long lease?
The ten year one with the insects was too short in my opinion and ultimately wasn't worth the paper it was written on.

it wasn’t even a lease but a licence which was a bonkers idea

 

[fernandopartridge]

it wasn’t even a lease but a licence which was a bonkers idea

As it was back in 2005. The club's owners at that time were idiots too

 

[wingy]

As it was back in 2005. The club's owners at that time were idiots too

But the new arrangement was the recent return the original deal with the original owners was different,no?

 

[fernandopartridge]

But the new arrangement was the recent return the original deal with the original owners was different,no?

The original deal was a license too, yet one with a ridiculous premium attached. Remember the negotiations in 2012 SISU specifically cited it being a license.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The club wants / needs the benefits of owning the stadium but those benefits are not exclusive to ownership. Hopefully this means that long term security at the arena is on its way.

Which would suggest that the previous owner's insistence upon ownership of the ground was bollocks and had nothing to do with enabling us to generate more income.