It’s crazy, all I did was say unprompted that I hope every journalist on the planet gets put out of work, now people are trying to suggest I don’t like the press?
It’s already happening!
Brighton Sky Blue
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Not what I said, of course.
‘AI can replace the vast majority of journalists’ got turned into ‘I want Soviet style censorship of the press’. And I suspect you deep down know I’m right that if we’re going to encourage things like ChatGPT to be used as essay writing tools, ultimately the vast majority of hacks who report on factual events or write opinion pieces tailored towards their audience won’t be needed.
Those carrying out original investigative work would still be needed, along with those in editorial control of whatever media form it is. The providers of the rest would just switch from human to machine.
Brighton Sky Blue
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So you’re pivoting back to “I don’t dislike the press, I just think only a tiny fraction of them do valid work”?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Which news outlets do you read? There are people on here with garbage news diets who I’m not surprised have a dim view of the media, I didn’t think you’d be one of them.
Astute
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Correct.
If you need evidence look no further than the CET. Wasps put lots of money into the CET in advertising trying to get people to support them. Nothing bad was ever reported about them. Money talks. But once they knew Wasps were finished and no more income coming from them (stopped paying the bills) the journalists were finally allowed to do their jobs properly.
fernandopartridge
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@Brighton Sky Blue - how does the ballot work at school level? Does each individual school need to reach a threshold to strike or does the main ballot threshold give the teachers the right to strike? Just asking because my lad's school was open on the last official strike day
Brighton Sky Blue
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The CET is a brilliant example of what happens when people lose respect for the importance of actual journalism, lay off as many journalists as they can, and try to replace it with an algorithm-driven approach instead.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Is he at a private or state school?
By the machine you’ve invented in your head, you mean? The machine which could presumably replace almost any industry on the planet, but which you have for some entirely non-malicious and non-petty reason earmarked for journalism as a priority?
I’ve got nothing against the tiny minority of teachers who actually do proper teaching. It’s just the thought of laying off the rest of them makes me all
shmmeee
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Id argue it’s an example of what happens when your high minded investigative journalists kid themselves that they are the killer app of their industry and not second hand goods and wedding notices.
Good journalism faces a market problem. No one wants to pay for it. Until you solve that or fund it through something like the licence fee I’m not sure it matters what anyone else thinks. We’re heading for click bait all the way down to keep web advertisers happy.
There might be a model like Substack for a few high profile journalists but that comes with its own set of perverse incentives.
fernandopartridge
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Fucking hell, what do you think? State
Nick’s daughter goes to a striking private school is why I asked. In the state school it will depend how many teachers are in the union that’s striking (NEU). If enough of them are in the NASUWT, the Head has enough staff to still keep the school open.
Totally agree. It’s hard for many industries to meet your customers’ demands, maintain a quality product, and stay profitable at the same time, when all three factors are constantly changing. Journalism has arguably struggled more than most, and for many people that provokes vitriol rather than sympathy, and of course I get that - it’s a very powerful, very important, and often very controversial industry. I just wish the people who would happily dance on its grave would reflect a bit more on why they themselves consume so much media, why they often benefit from it too, and why it’s worth supporting those in the industry who would try to make it better, rather than race to the bottom of the algorithmic barrel.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I’ve got nothing against the tiny minority of teachers who actually do proper teaching. It’s just the thought of laying off the rest of them makes me all
This isn’t really the zinger you think it is-I actively am trying to get out of the profession. But I would value it above rank and file journalism regardless
You can’t fire me, I quit!
fernandopartridge
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Just hoping my son's teacher isn't scabbing really
Brighton Sky Blue
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I’m not entirely sure what you mean by the term, but I think I’d say that content creation is just a (mildly pejorative) way to describe a certain kind of journalism. Aggregating or digesting stories from elsewhere doesn’t win any Pulitzers but it is still journalism nevertheless.
I’m not saying they’re going to make any ‘All The President’s Men’-style movies about LadBible or Dream Team anytime soon, but there is also an element of skill to doing it well, which is why some outlets are better at it than others.
It’s also much cheaper and way more popular than conventional reporting too, so there’s that.
SkyBlueSoul
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On the flip side to this, years ago (would have been early 90s) my Mum decided to take my brother out of school a couple of hours early one day as a treat and told them he had a dentist appointment. He didn't know and was gutted when he found out he was going to McDonalds and the park because a) he liked school and b) he actually enjoyed going to the dentist
For the avoidance of doubt, only a true psychopath would value rank and file journalism over teaching, which is surely one of the most honourable professions you could ever pick.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Well indeed. Harder to replace with machines though as good teaching needs someone able to form human connections with students and to control the behaviour of 30+ people. It certainly could do the marking and report writing side better than a human teacher though.
Would definitely complain less too
Marty
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Possibly, would have thought at those speeds they wouldn't bother as surely the risk outweighs the benefits.