USSR invades Ukraine. (19 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

You actually admit a settlement was agreed Tony. This is a war where no settlement is the solution isn’t it?

The agreement we brokered was before the war even started, about 10 years before IIRC.

 

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[PVA]

Yes, but what stops them from piling a few more in. Smaller country. Easy 24/2/23 win? Strategic diversion could of course lead to escalation.

I hope Russia gets stuffed wherever they end up.

How would they get more troops in though?

The 1500 they do have there are mostly 'Dads Army' type troops I understand.

I think Ukraine could take it within days if they wanted to.

 

[David O'Day]

How would they get more troops in though?

The 1500 they do have there are mostly 'Dads Army' type troops I understand.

I think Ukraine could take it within days if they wanted to.

Yeah, it doesn't have a border with Russia and any more troops and armour would need to cross Western Ukraine

 

[PVA]

Yeah, it doesn't have a border with Russia and any more troops and armour would need to cross Western Ukraine

They have lots of supplies there and huge amounts of weapons apparently although most of it is believed to be soviet era and probably doesn't work!

 

[David O'Day]

The agreement we brokered was before the war even started, about 10 years before IIRC.

Yeah 10 years before:

United Nations Security Council Resolution 186 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Now if we only had the power to go back to 2012 t do the same thing in Ukraine then Grenners may have a point.

 

[David O'Day]

They have lots of supplies there and huge amounts of weapons apparently although most of it is believed to be soviet era and probably doesn't work!

it's quite nice an peaceful there actually (I know a couple of United fans that's when they played in Moldova popped over the border) but it is like a 1991 and before time loop.

 

[skybluetony176]

Not well versed in this but surely the fact we have troops still there - something Russia sees as a ‘Red Line’ - means the situations are not comparable?

It’s not comparable. Which is probably why someone brought it up.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Zelensky bad

Ukraine should give up now and hand over some territory

It’s a weird line of argument to criticise the country getting invaded more than the one invading-but you know that.

I've never said Ukraine should give up now have I? There is a huge difference between not supplying them with weapons and them giving up.

It's a given that the invasion is wrong, I don't need to keep repeating that Putin is a nasty man.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I've never said Ukraine should give up now have I? There is a huge difference between not supplying them with weapons and them giving up.

It's a given that the invasion is wrong, I don't need to keep repeating that Putin is a nasty man.

Well it’s Western supplied weapons that have kept them in the fight. More advanced weapons could tip the balance.

 

[Grendel]

The agreement we brokered was before the war even started, about 10 years before IIRC.

Are you an expert in this conflict tony? Where is your knowledge from? Are you an historian in this field?

 

[Grendel]

Well it’s Western supplied weapons that have kept them in the fight. More advanced weapons could tip the balance.

What happens then?

 

[Grendel]

How would they get more troops in though?

The 1500 they do have there are mostly 'Dads Army' type troops I understand.

I think Ukraine could take it within days if they wanted to.

You understand. What’s the source?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What happens then?

The invasion is repulsed and Putin pisses off

 

[David O'Day]

Are you an expert in this conflict tony? Where is your knowledge from? Are you an historian in this field?

It's freely available grenners, you can even google it.

the UN resolution and settlement was in 1964 and the Turkish invasion was in 1974

 

[Sick Boy]

The invasion is repulsed and Putin pisses off

Then why don’t the west just get involved and send troops into Russia?

 

[Grendel]

Zelensky bad

Ukraine should give up now and hand over some territory

It’s a weird line of argument to criticise the country getting invaded more than the one invading-but you know that.

No one thinks Mr Putin is a good guy. I don’t think Mr Churchill and Mr Truman thought uncle Joe was actually a very enlightened liberal thinker but in the end you choose your enemies wisely

 

[David O'Day]

What happens then?

Russia gets pushed off more Ukrainian land and Putin is unable to act in over countries

 

[PVA]

You understand. What’s the source?

It's called knowledge. You should try it sometime

 

[Grendel]

Then why don’t the west just get involved and send troops into Russia?

lets just tell him to piss off

 

[PVA]

lets just tell him to piss off

Better than telling him to crack on.

 

[Grendel]

It's called knowledge. You should try it sometime

So educate the forum - you’ve got you ear to the ground - what’s the source?

 

[David O'Day]

You understand. What’s the source?

You can google this as well Grenners

 

[David O'Day]

Then why don’t the west just get involved and send troops into Russia?

We don't want to invade Russia, Ukraine doesn't want to either

 

[Grendel]

You can google this as well Grenners

Well tony does it all the time - oddly google Gerry Adams and the Ira

Gerry Adams was still on IRA army council in 1994 – UK security adviser

Adviser also said ‘Slab’ Murphy had expressed reservations about ending violence

www.irishtimes.com

 

[Grendel]

We don't want to invade Russia, Ukraine doesn't want to either

does Ukraine want to invade Crimea?

 

[David O'Day]

does Ukraine want to invade Crimea?

That's part of Ukraine fella, prior to the russian invasion in 2014 they russians thought this as well as they paid the Ukrainian government rent to lease a black sea base in Sevastapol.

You really need to do some research mate.

 

[David O'Day]

Well tony does it all the time - oddly google Gerry Adams and the Ira

Gerry Adams was still on IRA army council in 1994 – UK security adviser

Adviser also said ‘Slab’ Murphy had expressed reservations about ending violence

www.irishtimes.com

lol, flailing about are we mate

lovely stuff

 

[PVA]

This is absolutely pitiful stuff from Grendel, in about 3 threads at the same time, ruining them all.

 

[PVA]

does Ukraine want to invade Crimea?

Can you invade your own country?

 

[Grendel]

That's part of Ukraine fella, prior to the russian invasion in 2014 they russians thought this as well as they paid the Ukrainian government rent to lease a black sea base in Sevastapol.

You really need to do some research mate.

So now we expect a situation where Ukraine regain territory ceded 9 years ago - yes that seems a very likely scenario

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Then why don’t the west just get involved and send troops into Russia?

Because the conquest of Russia is totally unnecessary

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

That's part of Ukraine fella, prior to the russian invasion in 2014 they russians thought this as well as they paid the Ukrainian government rent to lease a black sea base in Sevastapol.

You really need to do some research mate.

I think Grendel knows it's part of the Ukraine. It's called sarcasm.

 

[Grendel]

This is absolutely pitiful stuff from Grendel, in about 3 threads at the same time, ruining them all.

Having an opinion is ruining a thread - that’s well - a bit undemocratic isn’t it?

 

[Grendel]

I think Grendel knows it's part of the Ukraine. He's just toying, fella.

Im surprised given his terrorist leanings his not more sympathetic to the Kremlin

 

[David O'Day]

Can you invade your own country?

it's weak as fuck mate, by his weird "logic" when Ukraine retook Gherson they were really invading Russia