Would robins Be our greatest ever manager if we were promoted (9 Viewers)

[M&B Stand]

It would be a wonderful conversation to have

 

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[Evo1883]

The fact is robins would have failed at tbe first hurdle which is why you can’t actually compare - and you can’t compare anyone who managed the club through the 70’s and early 80’s either when the club was falling apart after the US debacle and the all seater catastrophic stadium

I can't really comment on that tbh I don't know anything about it

 

[Evo1883]

It would be a wonderful conversation to have

Wouldn't it

 

[Deleted member 5849]

OK, what are the innovations that transformed coventry , I'm intrigued

Where's LeedsSkyBlue and his FACTS thread from GMK?

Anyway, travel to games, make it easier for away fans and create an identity, first club to screen a game live to its own fans, the whole matchday becoming an experience, first electronic scoreboard, first colour programme, dedicated radio station just to us (think MUTV now).

etc

 

[PVA]

The fact is robins would have failed at tbe first hurdle which is why you can’t actually compare - and you can’t compare anyone who managed the club through the 70’s and early 80’s either when the club was falling apart after the US debacle and the all seater catastrophic stadium

Simple question: has Robins done a good job?

And do you think he's a good manager?

 

[Grendel]

I can't really comment on that tbh I don't know anything about it

We had a 34 year old manager who at one point got us to the brink of Europe and the best football you’d ever see through youth development and also bargain signings like Wallace after we’d come close to going bust

We scored i think 80 in one season

Even Gould - who was a nut job - when you look back achieved a near impossible job in keeping the club up

As I say you can not compare. I guess you can from relegation from the top flight on - you can I think and clearly he’s achieved the most but not before that and relatively speaking he has had backing by the owners (who clearly they liked and he liked them)

 

[Deleted member 5849]

OK, what are the innovations that transformed coventry , I'm intrigued

OK so I looked and many of the innovations don't really have anything to do with managerial ability .. they were great for the club though and more something you'd see from a chairman

Ofcourse Hill is an iconic figure at ccfc

So you're taking out what made Hill great, because you don't want to acknowledge what made Hill great?

it's a nonsense to say the things Hill did that were unique, innovative, and brought the club right to the vanguard of football can't be counted because others didn't do them - that's exactly why Hill *was* great!

 

[Wyken Sky Blue]

This keeps coming up but it’s an impossible measure

I get that, but surely you have to admit under the circumstances Robins has done a tremendous job?

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[Evo1883]

Where's LeedsSkyBlue and his FACTS thread from GMK?

Anyway, travel to games, make it easier for away fans and create an identity, first club to screen a game live to its own fans, the whole matchday becoming an experience, first electronic scoreboard, first colour programme, dedicated radio station just to us (think MUTV now).

etc

Are we in a day in age where Mark robins could influence English football as a manager ?

The things mentioned as I stated are things you'd see a chairman do and have little bearing on managerial ability

 

[Saddlebrains]

He is i think

Has worked inder such constraints and adversity yet always delivered

 

[Grendel]

Simple question: has Robins done a good job?

And do you think he's a good manager?

Only simple people ask simple questions

From when I started watching in 1972 I’ll rate him if I’m drawn into it 5th

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Where's LeedsSkyBlue and his FACTS thread from GMK?

Anyway, travel to games, make it easier for away fans and create an identity, first club to screen a game live to its own fans, the whole matchday becoming an experience, first electronic scoreboard, first colour programme, dedicated radio station just to us (think MUTV now).

etc

I agree with all that, but when considering whether they were the best manager really the only thing that matters is how the team have done on the pitch.

Grendel i right to point out things like play-offs didn't exist, but at the same time Robins hasn't had anywhere near the support that Hill had a board level. We paid a world-record fee for a goalkeeper while Hill was here and we weren't even in the top division! MR had one of the first names on the teamsheet sold to pay for some grass we don't even own!

 

[Evo1883]

We had a 34 year old manager who at one point got us to the brink of Europe and the best football you’d ever see through youth development and also bargain signings like Wallace after we’d come close to going bust

We scored i think 80 in one season

Even Gould - who was a nut job - when you look back achieved a near impossible job in keeping the club up

As I say you can not compare. I guess you can from relegation from the top flight on - you can I think and clearly he’s achieved the most but not before that and relatively speaking he has had backing by the owners (who clearly they liked and he liked them)

But youd have to accept that taking a club from the bottom division to the top is pretty rare aNd an incredible all time feat

 

[Grendel]

He is i think

Has worked inder such constraints and adversity yet always delivered

I don’t think the constraints are as bad as people make out

 

[Evo1883]

I don’t think the constraints are as bad as people make out

Come on man !

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Are we in a day in age where Mark robins could influence English football as a manager ?

The rings mentioned as I stated are thongs you'd see a chairman do and have little bearing on managerial ability

It's a nonsense to disregard just how influential Hill was. That's what makes him unique! That's what makes him great!

And if Hill were manging now, he'd be trying to progress football now, just as he did as chairman. That was more... mixed, to put it mildly (Ian Wallace in exchange for the connexion, losing money on buying an overseas football team... although of course both those are commonplace now, as was the all seater stadium - and sponsorship), but he'd be finding ways you and I hadn't even thought of, to make the club at the forefront of football.

And that's why he's up there! You can't take away why he is just because!

 

[Grendel]

I agree with all that, but when considering whether they were the best manager really the only thing that matters is how the team have done on the pitch.

Grendel i right to point out things like play-offs didn't exist, but at the same time Robins hasn't had anywhere near the support that Hill had a board level. We paid a world-record fee for a goalkeeper while Hill was here and we weren't even in the top division! MR had one of the first names on the teamsheet sold to pay for some grass we don't even own!

Gordon Milne had to sell players as the US fiasco unfolded and collapsed

 

[PVA]

Only simple people ask simple questions

From when I started watching in 1972 I’ll rate him if I’m drawn into it 5th

 

[Evo1883]

It's a nonsense to disregard just how influential Hill was. That's what makes him unique! That's what makes him great!

And if Hill were manging now, he'd be trying to progress football now, just as he did as chairman. That was more... mixed, to put it mildly (Ian Wallace in exchange for the connexion, losing money on buying an overseas football team... although of course both those are commonplace now, as was the all seater stadium - and sponsorship), but he'd be finding ways you and I hadn't even thought of, to make the club at the forefront of football.

And that's why he's up there! You can't take away why he is just because!

I know hill was a great manager for us , but should Robins get promotion it's 1 more promotion than hill and from bottom to top

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I agree with all that, but when considering whether they were the best manager really the only thing that matters is how the team have done on the pitch.

Grendel i right to point out things like play-offs didn't exist, but at the same time Robins hasn't had anywhere near the support that Hill had a board level. We paid a world-record fee for a goalkeeper while Hill was here and we weren't even in the top division! MR had one of the first names on the teamsheet sold to pay for some grass we don't even own!

No, it's before my time, but speak to the people who were there! Understand how he transofrmed the club, the city, football... and then tell me it doesn't count!

What you're both doing is showing exactly Grendel's original point, that comparing eras isn't comparable.

 

[Grendel]

Come on man !

He signed Godden for £750 k in league 1 and Clarke Harris we paid £125k loan in league 2 - we saw a significant strategy change when fisher got him back and we put the profits of Maddison and Wilson to fund promotions. He wasn’t getting Josh McQuoid for Leon Clarke

 

[Evo1883]

No, it's before my time, but speak to the people who were there! Understand how he transofrmed the club, the city, football... and then tell me it doesn't count!

What you're both doing is showing exactly Grendel's original point, that comparing eras isn't comparable.

My old man was there , I've asked him

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Gordon Milne had to sell players as the US fiasco unfolded and collapsed

And who was responsible for that fiasco?

I'm not saying others haven't had difficulties to deal with, I just think JH probably had one of the best times to be a manager with a chairman who was supportive.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

My old man was there , I've asked him

Then you should understand, and if not there's no hope.

I mean, it doesn't even stop Robins having done a good job, does it!

 

[Evo1883]

He signed Godden for £750 k in league 1 and Clarke Harris we paid £125k loan in league 2 - we saw a significant strategy change when fisher got him back and we put the profits of Maddison and Wilson to fund promotions. He wasn’t getting Josh McQuoid for Leon Clarke

Right , at no point have we ever had the biggest budgets or spend in any division we've been in under Robins..

 

[Evo1883]

Then you should understand, and if not there's no hope.

I mean, it doesn't even stop Robins having done a good job, does it!

I understand , I think robins getting us to the top is more than hill , Robins will have gone bottom to top

 

[Grendel]

And who was responsible for that fiasco?

I'm not saying others haven't had difficulties to deal with, I just think JH probably had one of the best times to be a manager with a chairman who was supportive.

Fisher and Seppala were supportive of him

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

No, it's before my time, but speak to the people who were there! Understand how he transofrmed the club, the city, football... and then tell me it doesn't count!

What you're both doing is showing exactly Grendel's original point, that comparing eras isn't comparable.

I'm not saying he didn't, or that he is indeed a great manager. I just think on the pitch MR would have achieved more with less if we went up. Yes they may be different eras, but arguably it's harder now to get into that promotion race for the top flight with things like parachute payments and absolutely ridiculous fee and wages than it was back then.

 

[Grendel]

Right , at no point have we ever had the biggest budgets or spend in any division we've been in under Robins..

Have we ever? No idea? Certainly didn’t in 77 78

 

[Grendel]

I'm not saying he didn't, or that he is indeed a great manager. I just think on the pitch MR would have achieved more with less if we went up. Yes they may be different eras, but arguably it's harder now to get into that promotion race for the top flight with things like parachute payments and absolutely ridiculous fee and wages than it was back then.

Yes Luton and Millwall are clear examples of that

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I just don't see how you can say Robins has done a great job, magnified by owners who liked moving the club around and starting legal battles with whoever they felt like, ending up with a random Rugby club as landlords... how can you say he's done a great job despite all that (and therefore is worthy of all the praise going) and then not take into account the transformations undertaken by *one man* to make our club into a modern, innovative, dynamic club, the sort of club that could then carry that and its legacy for years to come so it's taken for granted.

 

[Evo1883]

Yes Luton and Millwall are clear examples of that

If Luton get promoted its also an unreal achievement

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Fisher and Seppala were supportive of him

To the same extent Robbins supported Hill? When did we pay a world record fee for a player under MR? Or did we sell a first team mainstay to pay for some grass? Really supportive!

 

[Evo1883]

I just don't see how you can say Robins has done a great job, magnified by owners who liked moving the club around and starting legal battles with whoever they felt like, ending up with a random Rugby club as landlords... how can you say he's done a great job despite all that (and therefore is worthy of all the praise going) and then not take into account the transformations undertaken by *one man* to make our club into a modern, innovative, dynamic club, the sort of club that could then carry that and its legacy for years to come.

I've already stated hill is a great and his achievements are amazing .. Robins will have a promotion more .. that's it

 

[Grendel]

To the same extent Robbins supported Hill? When did we pay a world record fee for a player under MR? Or did we sell a first team mainstay to pay for some grass? Really supportive!

We paid £750k in league one didn’t we for godden? Who else had that luxury?