USSR invades Ukraine. (82 Viewers)

[PVA]

So they flapped it then?

Think of it as Arsenal's title challenge last season

 

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[Flying Fokker]

Belarus for one of the nutters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-66006142

 

[SBT]

Rough day for the foreign policy experts who insist that NATO was responsible for the war in Ukraine when even the head of Wagner is coming out and saying it was all bollocks

"On 24 February [2022] there was nothing extraordinary happening there. Now the Ministry of Defence is trying to deceive the public, deceive the president and tell a story that there was some crazy aggression by Ukraine, that - together with the whole Nato bloc - Ukraine was planning to attack us.”

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

All over within 24 hours, feels like this was all a sham to me.

Wouldn't be surprised if this was a scam to see if anybody else would support him.

 

[tisza]

we'll see what the deal actually is

So Wagner troops will sign MOD contracts - whether that is just those in Ukraine or all Wagner personnel unclear. Wagner operatives in large numbers in several African states - as an unofficial arm of Russian foreign policy. What has Prig been offered? Can't just be some flimsy personal security guarantee if he leaves the country.

 

[CCFCSteve]

So Wagner troops will sign MOD contracts - whether that is just those in Ukraine or all Wagner personnel unclear. Wagner operatives in large numbers in several African states - as an unofficial arm of Russian foreign policy. What has Prig been offered? Can't just be some flimsy personal security guarantee if he leaves the country.

100’s of millions. Putin can afford it

 

[PVA]

100’s of millions. Putin can afford it

And he'll probably be dead within weeks/months anyway.

 

[Otis]

And he'll probably be dead within weeks/months anyway.

Yup, especially when he goes to his first greasy spoon cafe and he gets polonium 210, egg and chips.

 

[tisza]

And he'll probably be dead within weeks/months anyway.

Or has he been offered Belarus? Lukashenko reportedly seriously ill. Putin basically controls Belarus.
That's a theory among the talking heads here this morning.

 

[David O'Day]

And he'll probably be dead within weeks/months anyway.

Unlikely, even if the wagner forces are officially going to be state forces they still are very loyal to him so if he dies then they'll rise up again

 

[David O'Day]

putin has lost whatever hardman image he had by running away

 

[PVA]

Or has he been offered Belarus? Lukashenko reportedly seriously ill. Putin basically controls Belarus.
That's a theory among the talking heads here this morning.

I did read that too, but I can't see it.

Lukashenko is bad enough, no way the people of Belarus would stand for this nutter being parachuted in as president surely.

Also giving the bloke you tried to overthrow you control of a load of your nukes doesn't seem like a great idea!

I think he will end up 'falling' out of a window or having a bad car 'accident'.

But who knows!

 

[PVA]

Unlikely, even if the wagner forces are officially going to be state forces they still are very loyal to him so if he dies then they'll rise up again

But are they now?

After he promised them a coup, got them on the doorstep of Moscow and then bottled it, resulting in them become part of the army, as you say, on much lower wages.

I don't think there's much loyalty anywhere in Russia.

 

[David O'Day]

But are they now?

After he promised them a coup, got them on the doorstep of Moscow and then bottled it, resulting in them become part of the army, as you say, on much lower wages.

I don't think there's much loyalty anywhere in Russia.

he didn't promise them a coup

 

[David O'Day]

also do you know what their contracts will be? really?

 

[PVA]

also do you know what their contracts will be? really?

Wagner are mercenaries, they get paid more than regular Russian army soldiers.

 

[tisza]

Wagner are mercenaries, they get paid more than regular Russian army soldiers.

already a source of discontent with "pre-war" Russian troops as new recruits getting better money/signing bonuses/death insurance than they are. Be interesting to see how many Wagner sign up andcan be integrated into a formal military system

 

[tisza]

I did read that too, but I can't see it.

Lukashenko is bad enough, no way the people of Belarus would stand for this nutter being parachuted in as president surely.

Also giving the bloke you tried to overthrow you control of a load of your nukes doesn't seem like a great idea!

I think he will end up 'falling' out of a window or having a bad car 'accident'.

But who knows!

The regime is propped up by Russia. Internal dissent doesn't go well - 20/21 protests. Least democratic country in Europe. Whoever the next leader is it will be a Russian choice.
Nuclear control will awlays remain under the Russians - they are not going to give any 3rd party access to them.

 

[PVA]

The regime is propped up by Russia. Internal dissent doesn't go well - 20/21 protests. Least democratic country in Europe. Whoever the next leader is it will be a Russian choice.

Yeah I get that, just don't see it being Prigozhin at all.

It'll be very interesting to see what happens though that's for sure.

 

[tisza]

Yeah I get that, just don't see it being Prigozhin at all.

It'll be very interesting to see what happens though that's for sure.

Not saying it will be but the speculation is that it was the "carrot" used to get him to stop and leave.

 

[PVA]

Not saying it will be but the speculation is that it was the "carrot" used to get him to stop and leave.

Ah, I see

Possibly yes. Of course nobody can trust a word Putin says so I'm sure Prigozhin will spend the rest of his days looking over his shoulder.

 

[tisza]

Ah, I see

Possibly yes. Of course nobody can trust a word Putin says so I'm sure Prigozhin will spend the rest of his days looking over his shoulder.

Never be able to touch a door handle for the rest of his life

 

[David O'Day]

Wagner are mercenaries, they get paid more than regular Russian army soldiers.

have you seen the agreed deal? no I take it

 

[PVA]

have you seen the agreed deal? no I take it

I'm going to assume you haven't either.

For your average soldier on the ground the Russian army is worse than Wagner in almost every aspect - leadership, equipment and pay. And with much worse survival odds.

 

[Flying Fokker]

I'm Putin's 'no.1 enemy' - here is why I know Wagner rebellion isn't over

WAGNER Group boss Yevgeny Prigozhin’s violent uprising is “just the beginning” and it is not going to end well for Vladimir Putin, warned Putin’s “number one enemyR…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[skybluetony176]

 

[David O'Day]

 

[PVA]

 

[duffer]

FT is reporting that... "Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin still faces charges, says Russian state media."

Also that Putin has signed a decree that lets the Russian military recruit prisoners, presumably learning from Wagner on that one.

Hmm. What professional soldier wouldn't want to fight alongside someone who is only there to escape their sentence? Obviously no risk of them legging it or hiding when the going gets tough, or nicking your kit, brawling, or a dozen other things that lower morale and combat effectiveness...

Either way, I think the Prigozhin/Wagner thing might yet come back to life if they arrest him. Interesting times.

 

[duffer]

I'd post the FT link, but it's gone behind the paid subscriber wall. It's what they said though, honest!

 

[Flying Fokker]

Some twerp in USSR…

 

[PVA]

Unlikely, even if the wagner forces are officially going to be state forces they still are very loyal to him so if he dies then they'll rise up again

But are they now?

After he promised them a coup, got them on the doorstep of Moscow and then bottled it, resulting in them become part of the army, as you say, on much lower wages.

I don't think there's much loyalty anywhere in Russia.

Told you Wagner troops would not be happy with Prighozin!

And Shoigu is remaining in place so didn't get what he wanted anyway.

Wagner mutiny: Prigozhin's soldiers rage while others cry conspiracy

Wagner troops fume at their leader's decision to halt his march on Moscow in furious online posts.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[tisza]

Told you Wagner troops would not be happy with Prighozin!

And Shoigu is remaining in place so didn't get what he wanted anyway.

Wagner mutiny: Prigozhin's soldiers rage while others cry conspiracy

Wagner troops fume at their leader's decision to halt his march on Moscow in furious online posts.

www.bbc.co.uk

Putin finally admits the state funded Wagner - having denied it previously. So when he talks about other countries military help in Ukraine the obvious question remains about the Wagner involvement in 8-10 countries in Africa,Latin America and Asia - propping up various undemocratic regimes.

 

[David O'Day]

Told you Wagner troops would not be happy with Prighozin!

And Shoigu is remaining in place so didn't get what he wanted anyway.

Wagner mutiny: Prigozhin's soldiers rage while others cry conspiracy

Wagner troops fume at their leader's decision to halt his march on Moscow in furious online posts.

www.bbc.co.uk

And a few posts on a social media platform are equal to the views of a much larger group of people.

By that weird logic you could read Grenners and Boosh's posts and say that they are representative of all online Cov fans.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

And a few posts on a social media platform are equal to the views of a much larger group of people.

By that weird logic you could read Grenners and Boosh's posts and say that they are representative of all online Cov fans.

or even worse, could read yours.