Sick Boy
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Both countries have been involved in illegal invasions and have committed war crimes - are some war crimes worse than others?
USSR invades Ukraine. (62 Viewers)
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Darth Robins
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Oh so you are actually this dumb then, impressive.
Sick Boy
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Can you please let us know which war crimes are acceptable to you and which aren’t? Are concentration camps ok?
Darth Robins
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None of them are, and I don't see how wanting to stop *more* war crimes from occurring has anything to do with ones that happened in the past?
Do Russia get a free pass to rape and pillage Ukraine because the US and UK have been involved in dodgy wars in the past? Is that what you're actually saying?
shmmeee
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Yes. We didn’t steal children and indoctrinate them. We didn’t bury mass graves. We didn’t attack civilian infrastructure indiscriminately. We didn’t have our elected politicians calling for genocide and claiming our opponents were the devil.
It’s night and day FFS. Soldiers in Iraq and other wars did horrible things, but this was mostly at the ground level losing control. Russian war crimes are planned and executed at a state level and with a goal of annihilation of a population.
I’m sorry I’m not having “liberal democracies are just as morally bad as violent authoritarian regimes actually”
Sick Boy
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You’re the one who claimed negotiations should be ruled out due to war crimes.
And no of course not and history goes back further than Iraq.
Darth Robins
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Show me where I claimed that?
Negotiations should happen when/if Ukraine and its people wants them to happen. Until that point, give them what they need to protect their country.
If western weapons are too big and mean for the poor Russians to handle, they know where the border is.
Sick Boy
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So you’re confessing to being a “wet wipe” then.
Ukraine aren’t going to be the ones deciding that, it’ll be once the USA determines that negotiations need to happen. Depressingly, the situation will probably go on for decades with terrorists/freedom fighters carrying out attacks.
tisza
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The counter to that from my region is that we would now have an aggressive power that has also stated its desire to reassert its authority/control on all its former Soviet countries -not just Ukraine. NATO and the EU would have this aggressive power on its doorstep. Eastern Europe has memories of being under Russian control and zero desire to return to that situation.
When you have the likes of Finland & Sweden giving up years of neutrality then the fear of Russia isn't just a fantasy. Now we see massive increases in nearly every EU state's defense spending because of the fear of an empowered Russia & further conflicts.
Sick Boy
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It was absolutely the right thing for the West to intervene, I've never said it shouldn't have done. All I have said is that at the moment it's a stalemate that'll go on for years and i'm not convinced either side can win. My issue is with ruling out negotiations to bring the war to a close, which is unrealistic.
Why because i support a country being invaded???
I'm not brave enough to go there but i sure as shit wouldn't run away like you cowards if it was my home country.
Can't really call it a stale mate when Ukraine are moving forward, at a faster rate than Russia in Bakhmut,
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
They're not illegal - the USA, Ukraine and Russia haven't signed the treaty, so aren't bound by it.
From what i'm aware, both Russia and Ukraine have used them so far.
Sarcasm...
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
You quoted a tweet saying they're banned when they're not.
Flying Fokker
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Flying Fokker
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Where did you bob up from?
I’ve been here the whole time?
Otis
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You don't seem so sure.
Why?You don't seem so sure.
baldy
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The question mark
Because I’ve been here the whole time, not asking myself am I?
baldy
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Go to bed
Flying Fokker
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Since April 2023? Betya too…
Otis
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Just "I've been here the whole time" is a statement, not a question.
tisza
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Possible name change. Think I know who it is.
shmmeee
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Its @Kieranp96
Lol not true, I lost access to my email related to the account, even stated my old account elsewhere, if I was going to hideI would come up with something different I don't mind the hate, people disagree just take it on the chin and live I wont lose sleep over some "Big man" over the internet.
shmmeee
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Crimean bridge hit again, section of the west bound road out, rail still active.
Rumours abound, possibly another submersible, possibly a long range missile which would be longer range than anything Ukraine have publicly.
Interesting. Could be a precursor to the wider assault, or could be more shaping measures.
Rumours abound, possibly another submersible, possibly a long range missile which would be longer range than anything Ukraine have publicly.
Interesting. Could be a precursor to the wider assault, or could be more shaping measures.
Need to do better if it’s “shaping” need 3/4 or more of them to do any decent damage, only reason the last hit done enough damage was the train full of fuel.
shmmeee
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Hitting supplies seems to be really working for throttling ammo supplies to artillery and infantry at the front line. It could be they were aiming for the train line and missed. Or could be they’ve left the exit route intentionally (though I can’t see an assault on Crimea now!).
This seems to have taken a support strut out as well as a section of the bridge so more damage than last time. Could well be another water attack.
Edit: boat attack confirmed.
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tisza
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Likely it's still the focus on taking out logistics. Without air cover the offensive is grinding slowly. So these strikes are focussed on disrupting supplies and munitions.
Kerch disruption forces more movement of these things onto rail & road within easier striking distance of the missiles, drones they do have.
duffer
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Puts another dent in Putin's reputation at home too, which can't hurt.
Perhaps discourages travel in general across the bridge too, I certainly wouldn't fancy it knowing that it's constantly at risk of attack...