USSR invades Ukraine. (77 Viewers)

[Grendel]

I know you don't, that's the problem.

Well it’s hardly a problem it’s my opinion - it’s odd that you often mock the state of the Russian military yet believe they are capable of world dominance if they take over Ukraine

 

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[shmmeee]

I don’t see any logic to that statement

I guess is rests on whether you believe post any coup Russia would just let the Ukrainians crack on or would have enacted the genocide they keep talking about and are enacting in occupied territories.

 

[PVA]

Well it’s hardly a problem it’s my opinion - it’s odd that you often mock the state of the Russian military yet believe they are capable of world dominance if they take over Ukraine

I have never said they are capable of world dominance, quite the opposite.

Doesn't mean that Ukraine should have just rolled over and invited Vlad in for a cuppa like you wanted them to.

 

[Grendel]

I guess is rests on whether you believe post any coup Russia would just let the Ukrainians crack on or would have enacted the genocide they keep talking about and are enacting in occupied territories.

No it depends on if you believe Russia are remotely capable of taking any other country which they aren’t - a prolonged war suits the West so we will be visiting this thread for many years to come

 

[Grendel]

I have never said they are capable of world dominance, quite the opposite.

Doesn't mean that Ukraine should have just rolled over and invited Vlad in for a cuppa like you wanted them to.

Of course not Ukraine should resist as much as it can - why mention Hitler if it wasn’t a fear of greater dominance?

 

[shmmeee]

No it depends on if you believe Russia are remotely capable of taking any other country which they aren’t - a prolonged war suits the West so we will be visiting this thread for many years to come

So how many Ukrainians do you think would have lost their lives under your plan? How did you see it panning out?

 

[Grendel]

So how many Ukrainians do you think would have lost their lives under your plan? How did you see it panning out?

Without western intervention far less as they’d have capitulated

 

[PVA]

Of course not Ukraine should resist as much as it can - why mention Hitler if it wasn’t a fear of greater dominance?

Because whether it's one country or the entire world the point is the same.

You're saying countless lives would have been saved if Ukraine had capitulated, insinuating that is the better option.

Which means presumably you think allowing Germany to crack on in WW2 was the better option to save lives.

 

[Grendel]

Because whether it's one country or the entire world the point is the same.

You're saying countless lives would have been saved if Ukraine had capitulated, insinuating that is the better option.

Which means presumably you think allowing Germany to crack on in WW2 was the better option to save lives.

Well no as again Russia aren’t capable of occupation of the whole of Europe - it’s of no danger to the wider world whatsoever

 

[shmmeee]

Without western intervention far less as they’d have capitulated

And then?

 

[Grendel]

Anyway I’ll revisit this thread in a couple of years when I’m sure nothing will have changed

 

[PVA]

Well no as again Russia aren’t capable of occupation of the whole of Europe - it’s of no danger to the wider world whatsoever

So they're welcome to Ukraine then. That's what you're saying, whether you mean it or not.

 

[shmmeee]

Anyway I’ll revisit this thread in a couple of years when I’m sure nothing will have changed

Not if we keep slow walking military aid certainly.

 

[duffer]

You have to feel for the collateral though , like others have said, got to have been brave or stupid to travel with that man

I take your point mate, which is that of a decent human being.

Given that it sounds like at least some of the others in the plane were Wagner too though, I'm more of the "fuck 'em and let them rot in hell" opinion.

The only thing that could've made it better was if the jet could've crashed on Putin. It's horrible to celebrate death, but my gut feel is that these particular guys deserve little better.

 

[duffer]

And yes it does sound a bit careless doesn't it. If I was Prigozhin I'd have been living in a windowless bungalow, eating solely out of tins, avoiding door handles and suspicious underwear, and doing the school run in a tank (that someone else started for me).

 

[PVA]

And yes it does sound a bit careless doesn't it. If I was Prigozhin I'd have been living in a windowless bungalow, eating solely out of tins, avoiding door handles and suspicious underwear, and doing the school run in a tank (that someone else started for me).

Yeah I said at the time he'd surely be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.

But I guess Russia is so fucked up that maybe he genuinely believed whatever assurances Putin gave him? They seem to believe what they want to hear over there, rather than the actual truth.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah I said at the time he'd surely be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.

But I guess Russia is so fucked up that maybe he genuinely believed whatever assurances Putin gave him? They seem to believe what they want to hear over there, rather than the actual truth.

He tried coming back from the point of no return. Really if you're going to march on Moscow as part of some armed insurrection, you'll probably only get one go at it.

 

[Otis]

And yes it does sound a bit careless doesn't it. If I was Prigozhin I'd have been living in a windowless bungalow, eating solely out of tins, avoiding door handles and suspicious underwear, and doing the school run in a tank (that someone else started for me).

Mad isn't it. I was merely married to a Russian, but would still avoid walking past the London Palladium, because palladium sounded too close a word to polonium.

Prigozhin was either very stupid or very stubborn.

 

[skybluetony176]

Some masked men claiming to be Wagner mercenaries have released a video promising revenge. Perhaps not totally unexpected perhaps and who knows how many will get behind them but at the least Putin has probably promoted some domestic terrorism to some extent.

 

[shmmeee]

The most depressing thing about Russia is it seems to be corrupt violent psychopaths all the way down. They could be such a great country if they had someone who could prioritise the population and interact with the world.

 

[Flying Fokker]

The most depressing thing about Russia is it seems to be corrupt violent psychopaths all the way down. They could be such a great country if they had someone who could prioritise the population and interact with the world.

Like Trump?

 

[Deleted member 9744]

The most depressing thing about Russia is it seems to be corrupt violent psychopaths all the way down. They could be such a great country if they had someone who could prioritise the population and interact with the world.

Agreed. However, I think that is true of most countries. Psychopaths tend to be very effective at getting into positions of power. It's just that the history and institutions of different countries determine amount of power they can wield.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Surely this is time for Wagner army to switch sides ?

 

[Otis]

Like Trump?

I don't. Do you?

 

[Flying Fokker]

I don't. Do you?

I was going to like your post but you may misinterpret it!

 

[Ashdown]

Let’s just hope none of those mad bastards get their hands on any nuclear stuff in Belarus .

 

[PVA]

It's reported that Dmitry Utkin was onboard as well.

Good.

 

[Ashdown]

The most depressing thing about Russia is it seems to be corrupt violent psychopaths all the way down. They could be such a great country if they had someone who could prioritise the population and interact with the world.

It’s a possibility, mind you I’ve seen some of those videos of how they drive on the roads ….especially after 1/2 a bottle of vodka ……

 

[shmmeee]

It’s a possibility, mind you I’ve seen some of those videos of how they drive on the roads ….especially after 1/2 a bottle of vodka ……

Ah if rednecks stopped you being a superpower the US would have no hope.

 

[Otis]

I see Putin has called Prigozhin a talented businessman.

Ooh, cutting.

 

[dutchman]

Pentagon: No info to support missile strike theory for Prigozhin crash

The U.S. Department of Defense on Thursday said there was currently no information to suggest that a surface-to-air missile took down the plane presumed to be carrying Russian mercenary leader Yevgeny Prigozhin.

www.reuters.com

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

He tried coming back from the point of no return. Really if you're going to march on Moscow as part of some armed insurrection, you'll probably only get one go at it.

If you shoot for the king, don't miss.

And certainly don't lower the gun after telling them you're going to shoot them.

 

[PVA]

Ukraine seem to have made some gains over the past few days and are around 30kms from Tokmak, which could be a key city to take. If not the key city.

 

[Flying Fokker]

Reddit - Dive into anything

reddit.com

 

[dutchman]

Can do a lot when you’re motivated, I guess they only really needed to adapt the technology I can’t imagine driving a tank is to much different to driving b tank.

Still using them wrong I see:

Watch: First British Challenger 2 tank destroyed in Ukraine advance

Social media footage appears to show vehicle’s flaming wreckage on side of road but there may be hope of repair for the four-man tank

www.telegraph.co.uk

All the German Leopards have been destroyed too as far as I can tell.