Brighton Sky Blue
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Yes OK but you agreed that the US wants Ukraine off the map. If it does it has a very strange way of going about it.
USSR invades Ukraine. (21 Viewers)
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skybluetony176
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Fuckin hell. You do understand that Russia invaded another country? Have you somehow missed that detail? I really don’t know what to expect next from you. You sound like the sort of deranged individuals that’s claim Hitler was misunderstood while dipping into holocaust denial.
fernandopartridge
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Yes, of course I understand that you stupid twat.
skybluetony176
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It really would have been as simple as let Russia crack on with it while not spending $1.
skybluetony176
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You clearly don’t. You may be aware that it happened but you’re well short of understanding the implications of that. I’ll help you out. That makes Russia the baddies. Same as it did is when we invaded Iraq on a lie. Or maybe you think that’s too simplistic again.
fernandopartridge
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Yes Tony, like I said it isn't a goodies vs baddies situation, is it?
skybluetony176
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Depends. If you’re a Putin sympathiser then I guess not. If you believe that a sovereign nation has the right to democratically choose its own ideology and direction without fear of being invaded by a hostile neighbour who thinks they don’t have that right then there clearly is a goody and a baddie.
For the record if Ukraine had have voted in a pro Russian/anti EU government triggering the/a neighbouring EU countries to invade Ukraine I would be labelling those EU countries the baddies. I also doubt that you would be claiming that it isn’t a of goodies vs baddies, I don’t doubt for one minute you’d do anything other than label them the baddies. It’s pretty clear from this thread that your migration from far left to far right is complete.
fernandopartridge
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Better hit rate than Wright and Simms if he knows who they are
skybluetony176
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What about it? What about the first one?That second paragraph
fernandopartridge
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Just your usual emotive irrational nonsense
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fernandopartridge
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I will entertain you Tony:
Yes, Putin is a baddie for invading another country. Where have I ever said otherwise?
Ukraine is entitled to defend itself (this isn't in itself virtuous). Where have I ever said otherwise?
Yes, Putin is a baddie for invading another country. Where have I ever said otherwise?
Ukraine is entitled to defend itself (this isn't in itself virtuous). Where have I ever said otherwise?
skybluetony176
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I’ll start worrying when I go as far as claiming that there’s no goodies or baddies in a conflict where who the baddies are couldn’t be clearer.
skybluetony176
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See any of your posts over the last couple of days.
fernandopartridge
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Thanks for proving my point
skybluetony176
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The gymnastics you must be doing in your head. Just on the US Russia trying to achieve the same goal thing. You’ve become a parody.
fernandopartridge
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The same outcome can be achieved through different goals, the USA's goal of keeping Russia occupied in war will equally contribute to the destruction of Ukraine as Russia's invasion in the first place.
SBAndy
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So Ukraine is entitled to defend itself but by defending itself it’s ensuring more of them die? Has anyone told them of the paradise they could be living otherwise?
skybluetony176
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There’s only one country intent on destroying Ukraine and that’s Russia. For instance, they’ve just delivered Ukraine the unenvied accolade of being the most mined country in the world. On that single fact Russia is the baddie. The West (once Russia knows it’s already beaten) will have to assist in demining what Russia has done and that will fall mainly on charities and will take decades. For instance the Falklands was only just declared mine free in 2020 almost 40 years after the end of the conflict. I know you struggle with this but Argentina were the baddies in that one.
fernandopartridge
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fernandopartridge
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Is it Russia or is it Putin? It's important
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SBAndy
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Well, not really. Regardless of whether it received external support or not, if Ukraine continued to want to defend itself (and there’s nothing to suggest they’d have gone off the idea) then the same that is currently happening and likely will happen would have happened anyway.
fernandopartridge
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I'm not sure the argument that defending imperial rights to a archipelago 1000s of miles away from where its country's majority population lives is the best example of goodies here Tone
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fernandopartridge
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The Ukrainian head of military intelligence seems to suggest otherwise
An interview with the head of Ukraine’s defence intelligence
“Warehouses in the West are not completely empty. No matter what anyone says,” says Kyrylo Budanov
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skybluetony176
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Not really. Nazi Germany or Hitler?
Grendel
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Tony I have asked what your academic qualifications are in history - I do have a suspicion
fernandopartridge
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A very important distinction as the last nigh on 70 years demonstrate
Funnily Tony the same exception applies to former Ukrainian soldiers living in Canada
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fernandopartridge
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All Germans are Hitler but no Hitler is German (he was Austrian)
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fernandopartridge
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Grendel
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skybluetony176
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Sounds like desperation to me, a sabre rattling bluff. Have they even got the resources to fight until 2025 other than conscripts? In the last couple of weeks alone they’ve had to go cap in hand to North Korea for bullets, they had to suspend fuel exports this week in an attempt to avoid rationing in Russia, they’ve took a major hit to supply lines, they have a diminished ability to service equipment, they’re relying more and more on mothballed Cold War era equipment.
Couple that with Ukraine getting more and more sophisticated and accurate hardware (obviously because the the US wants to obliterate Ukraine) as witnessed with the attack on the Russian naval base in Crimea.
Because Putin and Biden have the same objectives duh!
It’s classic
Your brown nosing when ever you find someone with the same bizarre views as you to latch on to is absolutely tragic