USSR invades Ukraine. (31 Viewers)

[Grendel]

According to reports Russia launched a massive counteroffensive at Avdiivka and got decimated.

Over 800 Russians killed and 80 armoured vehicles destroyed.

The Z convicts being forced to advance or be killed for fleeing.

Grim.

What’s the independent source for this?

 

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[PVA]

What’s the independent source for this?

There's lots of sources and lots of gelocoated video footage.

The Russian Army Reportedly Lost 34 Tanks Trying To Cut Off The Ukrainian Garrison In Avdiivka

The Russians might regroup and try again. All eyes are on the fields around Avdiivka as the sun comes up in Ukraine on Wednesday.

www.forbes.com

 

[PVA]

Anyway you must be on Ukraine's side now @Grendel as you're a big fan of US foreign policy these days.

 

[David O'Day]

Anyway you must be on Ukraine's side now @Grendel as you're a big fan of US foreign policy these days.

He went a bit quiet after a link was posted

Shock

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[PVA]

Let’s negotiate with this guy.

Marina Ovsyannikova: Anti-war Russian journalist sentenced in absentia

Maria Ovsyannikova, who protested live on air against the invasion of Ukraine, gets more than 8 years in jail.

www.bbc.co.uk

He seems a reasonable well balanced man.

In a totally shocking turn of events this woman has now been poisoned

Marina Ovsyannikova: Russian TV journalist known for on-air Ukraine war protest falls ill after suspected poisoning

Marina Ovsyannikova gained international attention last March after bursting into a studio of Russian state TV, her then employer, to denounce the war in Ukraine. She later said she had no regrets about her actions.

news.sky.com

 

[Grendel]

And it should. Israel has committed war crimes against Palestine while building illegal settlements in the West Bank under a far right regime. They only get away with it courtesy of a very strong pro Israel lobby in the US.

oh here it is - war crimes

 

[shmmeee]

oh here it is - war crimes

That’s fairly well recognised isn’t it?

 

[Grendel]

That’s fairly well recognised isn’t it?

Is it? So before this latest conflict Israel were guilty of war crimes?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

oh here it is - war crimes

What I’ve said there is indisputable. The West Bank is illegally occupied and the IDF have already committed crimes in Gaza.

 

[Grendel]

What I’ve said there is indisputable. The West Bank is illegally occupied and the IDF have already committed crimes in Gaza.

so before this latest incident it’s a war crime?

 

[shmmeee]

Is it? So before this latest conflict Israel were guilty of war crimes?

Human rights in Israel and Occupied Palestinian Territories

Stay up to date on the state of human rights in Israel and Occupied Palestinian Territories with the latest research, campaigns and education material from Amnesty International.

www.amnesty.org

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

so before this latest incident it’s a war crime?

Shelling children on the beach certainly qualifies

 

[Grendel]

Shelling children on the beach certainly qualifies

Suits some on here when it suits

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Suits some on here when it suits

What?

 

[Grendel]

Human rights in Israel and Occupied Palestinian Territories

Stay up to date on the state of human rights in Israel and Occupied Palestinian Territories with the latest research, campaigns and education material from Amnesty International.

www.amnesty.org

lol

 

[skybluetony176]

Are people really denying that Israel doesn’t have a history of war crimes, especially in Gaza. In the 2008 Gaza War they were found to have used white phosphor in Gaza. White phosphor is not banned per se as ammunition but its use in populated areas is. There’s already evidence that they’re using it again this time. They’ve also have history of collective punishment. The Red are already accusing them of that this time.

 

[Grendel]

Tony has his big Wiki out again everyone

 

[Sick Boy]

Are people really denying that Israel doesn’t have a history of war crimes, especially in Gaza. In the 2008 Gaza War they were found to have used white phosphor in Gaza. White phosphor is not banned per se as ammunition but its use in populated areas is. There’s already evidence that they’re using it again this time. They’ve also have history of collective punishment. The Red are already accusing them of that this time.

…and you’ve fallen into the trap.

 

[Grendel]

…and you’ve fallen into the trap.

Bless him

 

[PVA]

Let me get this right.

Shelling civilians = absolutely fine

Prssident grows a beard = vile country

 

[Grendel]

I’m loving it now we are having serious debate

 

[Sick Boy]

Let me get this right.

Shelling civilians = absolutely fine

Prssident grows a beard = vile country

I think it’s more to do with war crimes being acceptable when it suits, like cluster bombs.

 

[PVA]

I think it’s more to do with war crimes being acceptable when it suits, like cluster bombs.

Cluster bombs are a war crime when used against civilians. Ukraine have not used cluster bombs against civilians.

 

[Grendel]

Cluster bombs are a war crime when used against civilians. Ukraine have not used cluster bombs against civilians.

But amnesty international have said they have committed war crimes?

 

[Sick Boy]

Cluster bombs are a war crime when used against civilians. Ukraine have not used cluster bombs against civilians.

Ukraine: Civilian Deaths from Cluster Munitions

New Human Rights Watch research found that Ukrainian cluster munition rocket attacks on Russian-controlled areas in and around the city of Izium in eastern Ukraine during 2022 caused many casualties among Ukrainian civilians. Both countries should stop using these inherently indiscriminate...

www.hrw.org

 

[Grendel]

Oh dear

 

[PVA]

Ukraine: Civilian Deaths from Cluster Munitions

New Human Rights Watch research found that Ukrainian cluster munition rocket attacks on Russian-controlled areas in and around the city of Izium in eastern Ukraine during 2022 caused many casualties among Ukrainian civilians. Both countries should stop using these inherently indiscriminate...

www.hrw.org

Ukraine vehemently deny that.

Russia spent months shelling Izium.

 

[Grendel]

It’s all lies Amnesty PVA says so

Ukraine: Ukrainian fighting tactics endanger civilians

Ukrainian forces have put civilians in harm’s way by establishing bases and operating weapons systems in populated residential areas, including in schools and hospitals, as they repelled the Russian invasion that began in February, Amnesty International said today. Such tactics violate...

www.amnesty.org

 

[Sick Boy]

Ukraine vehemently deny that.

Russia spent months shelling Izium.

Of course they’re going to deny it ffs.

 

[Grendel]

Of course they’re going to deny it ffs.

Its beyond embarrassing

 

[PVA]

If they did hit civilians they weren't targeting civilians, they were targeting Russian positions.

Unlike when Russia used a cluster munition on a busy train station killing 60 people.

Slight difference.

 

[Sick Boy]

If they did hit civilians they weren't targeting civilians, they were targeting Russian positions.

Unlike when Russia used a cluster munition on a busy train station killing 60 people.

Slight difference.

So both HRW and Amnesty International are spreading misinformation.

 

[Grendel]

If they did hit civilians they weren't targeting civilians, they were targeting Russian positions.

Unlike when Russia used a cluster munition on a busy train station killing 60 people.

Slight difference.

Sounds like in the eyes of the Un definition it’s a war crime?

 

[Grendel]

So both HRW and Amnesty International are spreading misinformation.

of course they are

 

[PVA]

So both HRW and Amnesty International are spreading misinformation.

Oh right does it say in that article they were deliberately targeting civilians then?

Anyone found to have committed a war crime should be tried and punished accordingly.

But if you think that incident is remotely comparable to Russia (or Israel) deliberately shelling civilians then there's something wrong with you.