Do you want to discuss boring politics? (31 Viewers)

[StrettoBoy]

What are you looking for?

A good start would be sensible economic and tax policies to drive growth by encouraging start-up businesses and the businesses of the future which must inevitably include green energy. We need this to generate the money that is needed to fund the NHS and other public services and to help the poorest in society.

I am generally, although this is something of an over-simplification, a bit right of centre on economic and tax policies and a bit left of centre on social policies.

The Conservatives haven't done a great job on the economy in recent years, whilst accepting that COVID and Ukraine didn't help. I do give them some credit for bailing out the country during the pandemic, even though it came at a hugh cost and has saddled the country with a huge mountain of debt.

My dilemma is that I don't trust a word Starmer says, as he seems to do a U-turn on everything depending upon the audience he is addressing.

I may end up voting LibDem, although if I do it will be with a distinct lack of enthusiasm. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that one of the major parties comes up with a good manifesto. If Labour's is clearly better then I may have to hold my nose and vote for them, although it doesn't sit happily with me whilst Starmer is the leader.

 

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[wingy]

A good start would be sensible economic and tax policies to drive growth by encouraging start-up businesses and the businesses of the future which must inevitably include green energy. We need this to generate the money that is needed to fund the NHS and other public services and to help the poorest in society.

I am generally, although this is something of an over-simplification, a bit right of centre on economic and tax policies and a bit left of centre on social policies.

The Conservatives haven't done a great job on the economy in recent years, whilst accepting that COVID and Ukraine didn't help. I do give them some credit for bailing out the country during the pandemic, even though it came at a hugh cost and has saddled the country with a huge mountain of debt.

My dilemma is that I don't trust a word Starmer says, as he seems to do a U-turn on everything depending upon the audience he is addressing.

I may end up voting LibDem, although if I do it will be with a distinct lack of enthusiasm. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that one of the major parties comes up with a good manifesto. If Labour's is clearly better then I may have to hold my nose and vote for them, although it doesn't sit happily with me whilst Starmer is the leader.

Gerrymandering, increase of population,make up?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Apparently she stood up 37 times in the debate and was ignored every time.

Well my Mrs said it was 46. Dianne Abbott counted 107

 

[StrettoBoy]

Gerrymandering, increase of population,make up?

I did say that my suggestions were merely "a good start". They cover the key points but yes, of course, lots of other policies are required.

 

[wingy]

Who decides who's extreme, how many think tanks come under that banner!

 

[Como]

This is not difficult, anyone who does not agree with me is Extreme.

We seem to be living in a Pythonesque world when the biggest Racist in Parliament is leading the charge.

 

[wingy]

Unelected!!

 

[Terry_dactyl]

I couldn't give a flying fuck who any of you vote for.

However, if you don't vote, you will go down in my estimation.

"Blah blah, they're all the same, blah blah, they don't represent me, blah blah, the Daily Mail says I should hate Starmer, blah blah the guardian says I should hate Starmer"

Fuck off.

If you don't vote, the rich have won. They've disenfranchised you, not by law, but by social media.

PR and CV.

As my old politics teacher at Stringer used to say…”not voting is voting for the winners”.

 

[shmmeee]

Grendel, FP, I offer my apologies, you were right about Starmer all along.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Grendel, FP, I offer my apologies, you were right about Starmer all along.

Haha, god that Guido is one desperate c**t

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[wingy]

Haha, god that Guido is one desperate c**t

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Bloody spend thrift, £440my pair a couple of years ago!

 

[PVA]

They're just so, so shit.

No compelling examples of what levelling up has delivered, watchdog finds​

Public accounts committee report shows hardly any of 71 projects due to be completed this month are on track


Rishi Sunak’s levelling up agenda is beset by an “absolutely astonishing” level of delay, and the government cannot give “any compelling examples” of what it has delivered, parliament’s spending watchdog has found.

The public accounts committee (PAC) said barely any of the 71 “shovel-ready” projects due to be completed this month were on track.

Dame Meg Hillier, the chair of the committee, said: “The levels of delay that our report finds in one of government’s flagship policy platforms is absolutely astonishing.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

They're just so, so shit.

To be honest it wouldn't surprise me if the delays are deliberate. I'm sure a number of Tories think such projects are a waste of money and want to see them fail.

So if the projects are beset problems and/or over-budget they can say it's not VFM and instead let's use those funds to create jobs by cutting taxes to increase investment.

 

[wingy]

The march into madness of war continues!!

 

[messiahrobins]

Vote green for reform

Britain First for me, Golding talks a lot of sense.
Hopefully Trump wins in the USA, he was outstanding with his speech at the weekend.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Britain First for me, Golding talks a lot of sense.
Hopefully Trump wins in the USA, he was outstanding with his speech at the weekend.

Will break everything
Anarchy for anyone but the rich

 

[David O'Day]

Britain First for me, Golding talks a lot of sense.
Hopefully Trump wins in the USA, he was outstanding with his speech at the weekend.

you are getting desperate for a bite now

 

[messiahrobins]

Will break everything
Anarchy for anyone but the rich

Could be true, but when you say 'the rich' define the sort of income levels you would define as rich.
The USA is in a mess at the moment though, so Trump has an open goal, albeit ive just seen his 'bloodbath comment' (somehow didnt see that before) and i have to wonder what the actual fuck he is doing with such a comment in a country where owning a gun is legal in many areas.
His views on economic growth make sense and would work here too. Sunak was in Coventry today and he did make a lot of sense when talking about economic growth, clearly the economy is where he is comfortable.

 

[Sick Boy]

Could be true, but when you say 'the rich' define the sort of income levels you would define as rich.
The USA is in a mess at the moment though, so Trump has an open goal, albeit ive just seen his 'bloodbath comment' (somehow didnt see that before) and i have to wonder what the actual fuck he is doing with such a comment in a country where owning a gun is legal in many areas.
His views on economic growth make sense and would work here too. Sunak was in Coventry today and he did make a lot of sense when talking about economic growth, clearly the economy is where he is comfortable.

Didn’t Trump also claim Biden beat Obama? It’s pretty obvious what he’s doing with the bloodbath comment.

 

[skybluetony176]

Didn’t Trump also claim Biden beat Obama? It’s pretty obvious what he’s doing with the bloodbath comment.

It’s classic dictator talk. He’s also spent his last couple of rallies slagging off Ron DeSantis, he seems more worried about him than Biden or anyone involved in his legal battles. Strangely it coincides with DeSantis announcing that he’s given the go ahead for the rest of the Epstein papers to be released in July. Not sure what that’s all about.

 

[clint van damme]

See Trump hasn't got a pot to piss in and is in the shit with his bond money. Though Vladimir would have veiled him out.

 

[PVA]

Remember when Sunak was a safe pair of hands to steady the ship after Truss fucked it for everyone

 

[StrettoBoy]

Remember when Sunak was a safe pair of hands to steady the ship after Truss fucked it for everyone

I hope that the next general isn't a bloodbath because I think it is important to have a strong opposition in order to hold the government of the day to account.

 

[PVA]

I hope that the next general isn't a bloodbath because I think it is important to have a strong opposition in order to hold the government of the day to account.

The Tories will claw some votes back for sure but almost certainly it will be a bloodbath and there's a chance the Tories are fucked for a long time to come.

With under 35s Labour are polling at 70% and the Tories just 7%!

There's a generation, maybe two, of people that will never vote Tory.

 

[SBT]

I hope that the next general isn't a bloodbath because I think it is important to have a strong opposition in order to hold the government of the day to account.

Cometh the hour…

 

[skybluetony176]

Remember when Sunak was a safe pair of hands to steady the ship after Truss fucked it for everyone

2 takes from that. Firstly is how little cut through the Lib Dem’s are having. You can’t help but feel that if they’d had a Paddy Ashdown or Charles Kennedy as leader they’d be giving the Tories a run for their money right now. Possibly doesn’t help I guess that the SNP are the third biggest party currently in Westminster so they’re barely involved in PMQ’s and have so few MP’s they’re largely anonymous in anything that gets coverage in parliament.

2nd take away is that the Tories are double fucked and actually they may have to take inevitable losses to Labour on the chin and fight Reform in marginals because fighting them as opposed to Labour might be their best chance to hold onto those seats and stopping them going to Labour by default of consequence of the votes the Tories lose to Reform.


One thing for sure is it can only get worse for the Tories the longer they leave it and if Sunak leaves it too late he might not even be PM come the election.

 

[shmmeee]

I hope that the next general isn't a bloodbath because I think it is important to have a strong opposition in order to hold the government of the day to account.

I think the SNP will do an excellent job.

 

[shmmeee]

2 takes from that. Firstly is how little cut through the Lib Dem’s are having. You can’t help but feel that if they’d had a Paddy Ashdown or Charles Kennedy as leader they’d be giving the Tories a run for their money right now. Possibly doesn’t help I guess that the SNP are the third biggest party currently in Westminster so they’re barely involved in PMQ’s and have so few MP’s they’re largely anonymous in anything that gets coverage in parliament.

2nd take away is that the Tories are double fucked and actually they may have to take inevitable losses to Labour on the chin and fight Reform in marginals because fighting them as opposed to Labour might be their best chance to hold onto those seats and stopping them going to Labour by default of consequence of the votes the Tories lose to Reform.


One thing for sure is it can only get worse for the Tories the longer they leave it and if Sunak leaves it too late he might not even be PM come the election.

They need a Clegg really. They burned their LW credentials under Clegg, but if they were a Clegg style orange book party they’d probably pick up a lot of Tory votes.

 

[messiahrobins]

It’s classic dictator talk. He’s also spent his last couple of rallies slagging off Ron DeSantis, he seems more worried about him than Biden or anyone involved in his legal battles. Strangely it coincides with DeSantis announcing that he’s given the go ahead for the rest of the Epstein papers to be released in July. Not sure what that’s all about.

De santis is who america needed. I.e someone young and sane for starters.

 

[StrettoBoy]

The Tories will claw some votes back for sure but almost certainly it will be a bloodbath and there's a chance the Tories are fucked for a long time to come.

I hope not simply because (a) as I said in my previous post it is important to have a strong opposition and (b) I worry that, if the Conservative Party is in serious decline, it might lead to the rise of a far right party such as Reform.

 

[wingy]

It’s classic dictator talk. He’s also spent his last couple of rallies slagging off Ron DeSantis, he seems more worried about him than Biden or anyone involved in his legal battles. Strangely it coincides with DeSantis announcing that he’s given the go ahead for the rest of the Epstein papers to be released in July. Not sure what that’s all about.

Wonder what that could be?
Incriminating?

 

[Hertsccfc]

I hope not simply because (a) as I said in my previous post it is important to have a strong opposition and (b) I worry that, if the Conservative Party is in serious decline, it might lead to the rise of a far right party such as Reform.

The Conservatives are a far right party. Some people lose sight of this because the political compass has moved so far right over the last couple of decades. Their current position is more akin to the National Front in the 80/90s and Labour is about where the Tories were then.

 

[Sick Boy]

The Conservatives are a far right party. Some people lose sight of this because the political compass has moved so far right over the last couple of decades. Their current position is more akin to the National Front in the 80/90s and Labour is about where the Tories were then.

Sunak’s close relationship with Meloni says it all.

 

[wingy]

Sunak’s close relationship with Meloni says it all.

Sure she gave him some techniques to follow!!!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I hope that the next general isn't a bloodbath because I think it is important to have a strong opposition in order to hold the government of the day to account.

No. We need a huge Labour majority to undo the crap that these charlatans have overseen for 14 years.