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Como

Como

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This is not difficult, anyone who does not agree with me is Extreme.

We seem to be living in a Pythonesque world when the biggest Racist in Parliament is leading the charge.
 
Terry_dactyl

Terry_dactyl

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JAM See said:
I couldn't give a flying fuck who any of you vote for.

However, if you don't vote, you will go down in my estimation.

"Blah blah, they're all the same, blah blah, they don't represent me, blah blah, the Daily Mail says I should hate Starmer, blah blah the guardian says I should hate Starmer"

Fuck off.

If you don't vote, the rich have won. They've disenfranchised you, not by law, but by social media.

PR and CV.
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As my old politics teacher at Stringer used to say…”not voting is voting for the winners”.
 
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PVA

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They're just so, so shit.


No compelling examples of what levelling up has delivered, watchdog finds​

Public accounts committee report shows hardly any of 71 projects due to be completed this month are on track


Rishi Sunak’s levelling up agenda is beset by an “absolutely astonishing” level of delay, and the government cannot give “any compelling examples” of what it has delivered, parliament’s spending watchdog has found.
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The public accounts committee (PAC) said barely any of the 71 “shovel-ready” projects due to be completed this month were on track.
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Dame Meg Hillier, the chair of the committee, said: “The levels of delay that our report finds in one of government’s flagship policy platforms is absolutely astonishing.
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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PVA said:
They're just so, so shit.
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To be honest it wouldn't surprise me if the delays are deliberate. I'm sure a number of Tories think such projects are a waste of money and want to see them fail.

So if the projects are beset problems and/or over-budget they can say it's not VFM and instead let's use those funds to create jobs by cutting taxes to increase investment.
 
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messiahrobins

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Will break everything
Anarchy for anyone but the rich
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Could be true, but when you say 'the rich' define the sort of income levels you would define as rich.
The USA is in a mess at the moment though, so Trump has an open goal, albeit ive just seen his 'bloodbath comment' (somehow didnt see that before) and i have to wonder what the actual fuck he is doing with such a comment in a country where owning a gun is legal in many areas.
His views on economic growth make sense and would work here too. Sunak was in Coventry today and he did make a lot of sense when talking about economic growth, clearly the economy is where he is comfortable.
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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messiahrobins said:
Could be true, but when you say 'the rich' define the sort of income levels you would define as rich.
The USA is in a mess at the moment though, so Trump has an open goal, albeit ive just seen his 'bloodbath comment' (somehow didnt see that before) and i have to wonder what the actual fuck he is doing with such a comment in a country where owning a gun is legal in many areas.
His views on economic growth make sense and would work here too. Sunak was in Coventry today and he did make a lot of sense when talking about economic growth, clearly the economy is where he is comfortable.
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Didn’t Trump also claim Biden beat Obama? It’s pretty obvious what he’s doing with the bloodbath comment.
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Sick Boy said:
Didn’t Trump also claim Biden beat Obama? It’s pretty obvious what he’s doing with the bloodbath comment.
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It’s classic dictator talk. He’s also spent his last couple of rallies slagging off Ron DeSantis, he seems more worried about him than Biden or anyone involved in his legal battles. Strangely it coincides with DeSantis announcing that he’s given the go ahead for the rest of the Epstein papers to be released in July. Not sure what that’s all about.
 
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StrettoBoy

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PVA said:
Remember when Sunak was a safe pair of hands to steady the ship after Truss fucked it for everyone


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I hope that the next general isn't a bloodbath because I think it is important to have a strong opposition in order to hold the government of the day to account.
 
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PVA

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StrettoBoy said:
I hope that the next general isn't a bloodbath because I think it is important to have a strong opposition in order to hold the government of the day to account.
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The Tories will claw some votes back for sure but almost certainly it will be a bloodbath and there's a chance the Tories are fucked for a long time to come.

With under 35s Labour are polling at 70% and the Tories just 7%!

There's a generation, maybe two, of people that will never vote Tory.
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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PVA said:
Remember when Sunak was a safe pair of hands to steady the ship after Truss fucked it for everyone


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2 takes from that. Firstly is how little cut through the Lib Dem’s are having. You can’t help but feel that if they’d had a Paddy Ashdown or Charles Kennedy as leader they’d be giving the Tories a run for their money right now. Possibly doesn’t help I guess that the SNP are the third biggest party currently in Westminster so they’re barely involved in PMQ’s and have so few MP’s they’re largely anonymous in anything that gets coverage in parliament.

2nd take away is that the Tories are double fucked and actually they may have to take inevitable losses to Labour on the chin and fight Reform in marginals because fighting them as opposed to Labour might be their best chance to hold onto those seats and stopping them going to Labour by default of consequence of the votes the Tories lose to Reform.


One thing for sure is it can only get worse for the Tories the longer they leave it and if Sunak leaves it too late he might not even be PM come the election.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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skybluetony176 said:
2 takes from that. Firstly is how little cut through the Lib Dem’s are having. You can’t help but feel that if they’d had a Paddy Ashdown or Charles Kennedy as leader they’d be giving the Tories a run for their money right now. Possibly doesn’t help I guess that the SNP are the third biggest party currently in Westminster so they’re barely involved in PMQ’s and have so few MP’s they’re largely anonymous in anything that gets coverage in parliament.

2nd take away is that the Tories are double fucked and actually they may have to take inevitable losses to Labour on the chin and fight Reform in marginals because fighting them as opposed to Labour might be their best chance to hold onto those seats and stopping them going to Labour by default of consequence of the votes the Tories lose to Reform.


One thing for sure is it can only get worse for the Tories the longer they leave it and if Sunak leaves it too late he might not even be PM come the election.
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They need a Clegg really. They burned their LW credentials under Clegg, but if they were a Clegg style orange book party they’d probably pick up a lot of Tory votes.
 
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messiahrobins

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skybluetony176 said:
It’s classic dictator talk. He’s also spent his last couple of rallies slagging off Ron DeSantis, he seems more worried about him than Biden or anyone involved in his legal battles. Strangely it coincides with DeSantis announcing that he’s given the go ahead for the rest of the Epstein papers to be released in July. Not sure what that’s all about.
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De santis is who america needed. I.e someone young and sane for starters.
 
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StrettoBoy

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PVA said:
The Tories will claw some votes back for sure but almost certainly it will be a bloodbath and there's a chance the Tories are fucked for a long time to come.
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I hope not simply because (a) as I said in my previous post it is important to have a strong opposition and (b) I worry that, if the Conservative Party is in serious decline, it might lead to the rise of a far right party such as Reform.
 
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wingy

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skybluetony176 said:
It’s classic dictator talk. He’s also spent his last couple of rallies slagging off Ron DeSantis, he seems more worried about him than Biden or anyone involved in his legal battles. Strangely it coincides with DeSantis announcing that he’s given the go ahead for the rest of the Epstein papers to be released in July. Not sure what that’s all about.
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Wonder what that could be?
Incriminating?
 
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StrettoBoy said:
I hope not simply because (a) as I said in my previous post it is important to have a strong opposition and (b) I worry that, if the Conservative Party is in serious decline, it might lead to the rise of a far right party such as Reform.
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The Conservatives are a far right party. Some people lose sight of this because the political compass has moved so far right over the last couple of decades. Their current position is more akin to the National Front in the 80/90s and Labour is about where the Tories were then.
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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Deleted member 9744 said:
The Conservatives are a far right party. Some people lose sight of this because the political compass has moved so far right over the last couple of decades. Their current position is more akin to the National Front in the 80/90s and Labour is about where the Tories were then.
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Sunak’s close relationship with Meloni says it all.
 
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