Martin180
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Are you sure ?
Callum O'Hare (13 Viewers)
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Where can we find this info?
Grendel
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It’s actually very easy to find. He was on £20k a week at Bristol and rejected a move to Cardiff as he said he would see out his contract - we took the contract as part of the fee arrangement
I’m just a humble nobody - you are an award winning hotshot journalist - I’m sure you can find it if you try hard enough Scoop
Just asking for a link so we know you’re not another pretend ITK, no need to get defensive if you don’t have one
Danceswithhorses
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That's an interesting graphic which shows how you can read what you like into statistics, to backup your point of view.
eg looking at his bookings/game ratio :
23/24 it was 1:27 (27/1)
21/22 it was 1:6 (45/7)
20/21 it was 1:9 (46/5)
Does this imply that this season, he is not trying as hard by not putting himself about ?
FWIW i don't believe this, but it shows how easily statistics can be (mis)interpreted.
You could equally say he's scored more goals/game this season, especially if you add in his fa cup goals.
That might imply that he's trying harder this season, the complete opposite view from above.
Remember kids...statistics are only 71% accurate.
Mucca Mad Boys
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So both you and @Ccfcisparks duck the question.
Stop making up nonsense about I’m saying. Saying a player is replaceable does not mean they are mediocre or that I wouldn’t offer him a new contract.
COH has been offered a contract and has apparently rejected it because he knows where he’s going next. There won’t be anyone on this that will not thank him for his part in our journey. He’s helped us, we’ve helped him and players coming and going is part and parcel of the game.
We need a replacement, that’s all there is to it. There are better players out there and according to @Saddlebrains, our targets are ‘shit hot’.
New heroes emerge and we’re on the up.
Saddlebrains
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If we're honest none of Kasey or Callum are good enough if we really want to push for Autos next season
Ccfcisparks
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Didn't duck the question? Answered it honestly.
if Palmer is as good as people say he should start the season as number 10.
Brighton Sky Blue
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O'Hare playing as he was in Dec/Jan certainly would be.
Ccfcisparks
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That is complete and utter nonsense im sorry.
Martin180
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You can argue the same for both players , Palmer has had some very good games this season neither of them have maintained it though . Therein lies the issue moving forward
Martin180
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Based on what ? Seriously you keep claiming O'Hare is vastly superior but he didn't figure last season and bar a superb run of games around Xmas he hasn't sustained that level .
Saddlebrains
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Mucca Mad Boys
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Maybe this is revisionism, but I think he just had a really good run in that period that was a statistical outlier. When was the last game COH looked like scoring?
Look at Godden, scored 6 goals this season. Doesn’t look terrible for a 3rd choice option until you realise he’s scored 1 league goal since September.
I’d rather COH signed the extension but replacing him isn’t quite the same task as replacing Gyokeres or Hamer.
Ccfcisparks
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Maybe the fact hes got more goals this season than Palmer has in his last 4 and he's only played 2/3 of the year.
5 goals 8 assists in his last full season at this level.
You are talking rubbish no surprise.
Martin180
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In our last two games we've played PL opposition or as close to it . In neither games could you watch us and claim O'Hare was a level above or even one of our better players .These are the games he should be standing out in
And once again that isn't suggesting Palmer is as I think he has reached his level with us
And once again that isn't suggesting Palmer is as I think he has reached his level with us
Mucca Mad Boys
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Who would COH consistently start for out of the teams playing for automatics; Southampton, Leeds, Ipswich and Leicester.
Then, do the exact same thing for the relegation battling teams in the Prem; Burnley, Sheff U, Luton, Everton and Forest.
I don’t think he starts for any of them.
Ccfcisparks
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Callum has 9 goal contributions in 27 games. Thats 15 over the course of the season, he offers us significantly more off the ball than Palmer.
Palmer has 4 goal contributions...
Martin180
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Insults ,really ?
Like has been suggested about Godden , stats can cloud over a poor run of form
Brighton Sky Blue
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I think he came back really keen to earn the transfer he missed out on last time, busted a gut to produce those performances, earned the transfer then cooled his jets.
Martin180
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Perhaps
Saddlebrains
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Ccfcisparks
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If I was COH reading this thread I'd be glad I was f***ing off.
Martin180
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Again this is where the two players differ . O'Hare plays off the forwards in and around the box . Palmer likes to play deeper and thread through passes , so it's likely his first phase stats would be higher
Saddlebrains
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Martin180
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Is he going on a free?
Ccfcisparks
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Good lad dont blame him.
Brighton Sky Blue
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It's not even a criticism if we're being honest. Just a pity that whoever it was only needed 2 months of good form to be convinced rather than 6
Mucca Mad Boys
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Agreed, I like Palmer as a player, but as his detractors point out, his goals and assists contributions are not there.
There’s touchy reaction to saying we need to improve certain areas to get to the next level. We have a perfectly acceptable team for where we’re at in the present moment; a team that is competing for the playoffs.
That’s where we’re at now, but we aspire to be a consolidated Prem team. We need to continuously improve the team and bring in players that get us there.
Even the games we beat Leeds and Leicester, you can see that they moved the ball better than us. Likewise, this applies to when we played the likes of WBA, Norwich, Ipswich and Southampton.
Some of this is squad depth, injuries and tactics. Factors that impact every team, ultimately we’re probably going to fall short this season.
Saddlebrains
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He's wanted out since Burnley fell through and he saw what cash Vik and Gus are pulling in
He owes us nothing, and we owe him nothing
Brighton Sky Blue
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How much were Burnley prepared to pay, do we know?
Mucca Mad Boys
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That’s a cynical take, I do believe he’s been a bit more selfish since he’s came back. That, however, isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Especially when he was scoring goals.
I don’t buy into the idea he’s ‘cooled his jets’ or ‘downed tools’.
The Championship is a ruthless league and grinds players down and COH has come back from a serious injury. It’s tough on the players.
Martin180
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He's been a fantastic player for us
Brighton Sky Blue
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It might be cynical but ultimately footballers need to be selfish and look out for number one, particularly those who've already had one serious long term injury. It would make perfect sense for him to tone down his efforts with a transfer in the bag so he doesn't risk an injury in the process.
mmttww
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Vik and Hamer both know they'd be off but played their guts out every minute they were here. To be clear, I don't buy in to CoH having 'downed tools' but if I'm following the thread, you're saying you don't blame him if he has. Don't get that at all. It's a weird take.