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Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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xcraigx

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The expected Iranian response is incoming at the moment, loads of drones estimated to start to reach (or be shot down by) Israel around midnight our time. I wonder whether this is a distraction and Iranian proxies will use the situation to mount their own attacks?
 
pusbccfc

pusbccfc

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It's all kicking off
 
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PVA

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Looks like bit of a performative show from Iran to say look we've responded, now let's forget about it and move on.


 
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Grendel

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PVA said:
Looks like bit of a performative show from Iran to say look we've responded, now let's forget about it and move on.


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Move on to what?
 
duffer

duffer

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PVA said:
Looks like bit of a performative show from Iran to say look we've responded, now let's forget about it and move on.


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I suspect Iran anticipated a bigger impact from 300 drones and missiles. Probably lucky for everyone that it didn't quite play out that way.

I think it suits Netanyahu very well to try to stir this up a bit more - it distracts from Gaza and guarantees the West keep the weapons and support tap turned on. The question is, will the US be able to rein him in - they haven't yet...
 
Alan Dugdales Moustache

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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How does Yemen manage to send missiles or drones to attack Israel ? Do they fly up the red sea and turn right or does Saudi Arabia just let them fly over it's territory?
 
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messiahrobins

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duffer said:
I suspect Iran anticipated a bigger impact from 300 drones and missiles. Probably lucky for everyone that it didn't quite play out that way.

I think it suits Netanyahu very well to try to stir this up a bit more - it distracts from Gaza and guarantees the West keep the weapons and support tap turned on. The question is, will the US be able to rein him in - they haven't yet...
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Iran had no intention of damaging Israel, those missiles were literal political posturing to appease increasingly wound up muslims across the globe. Israel was in no danger at all.
Its a win for Israel as shows their military might and keeps the US off their backs. Love Netanyanhu. Tremendous leader.
 
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SBT

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messiahrobins said:
those missiles were literal political posturing to appease increasingly wound up muslims across the globe.
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Most Muslim countries in the region despise Iran, to the extent that a few of them actually worked to intercept the drones on Israel’s behalf.
 
duffer

duffer

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messiahrobins said:
Iran had no intention of damaging Israel, those missiles were literal political posturing to appease increasingly wound up muslims across the globe. Israel was in no danger at all.
Its a win for Israel as shows their military might and keeps the US off their backs. Love Netanyanhu. Tremendous leader.
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Hmm. Launching 300 drones and ballistic missiles without expecting any of them to get through is putting a lot of faith in Israel's defence capabilities. Apparently it will have cost Israel and the west around a billion pounds to shoot them all down (BBC's Jeremy Bowen stated anyway.).

As for Netanyahu, a true giant of a man:

Supported Hamas to maintain control of Gaza, but couldn't keep them penned in, leading to the hideous attacks on Oct 7th. This costing almost 1500 Iives of his own citizens, plus the hostages, plus the IDF losses since.

Has killed, conservatively, tens of thousands of innocent women and children, making Israel a global pariah accused of genocide in an international court.

Isn't even popular in his own country, where of course he faces accusations of corruption.

Makes complete sense that you'd claim to like him, because it's obviously about getting a bite here rather than any kind of reasoned opinion.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Iran will be using the same tactics Russia used with their drones. In fact Ukraine was probably what inspired them. Something like £10k a piece and cost ten times that to shoot down don’t they? Just burns through money on the other side.
 
duffer

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Forgot to add, has pushed Israel's greatest ally into vigorously lobbying for a two-state solution and brought the Palestinian issue to the world stage far more effectively than any of his opponents could ever manage. Netanyahu is like Trump, a very stable genius.
 
Grendel

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shmmeee said:
Iran will be using the same tactics Russia used with their drones. In fact Ukraine was probably what inspired them. Something like £10k a piece and cost ten times that to shoot down don’t they? Just burns through money on the other side.
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Uk and US fighter jets took out many of the drones didn’t they?
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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Grendel said:
Uk and US fighter jets took out many of the drones didn’t they?
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Apparently so. I have issues with that. While Parliament hasn't voted for a ceasefire neither has it voted in favour of military action to defend a foreign state. Going after the Houthis in Yemen is justifiable because they are targeting UK interests. Nevertheless, Sunak still had to defend that action without Parliamentary approval.
Israel engaged in state-sponsored terrorist activity by targeting the Iranian consulate in Damascus and murdering a senior military officer. Iran was "doing a Netanyahu" in responding and defending itself in a limited way.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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shmmeee said:
Ah yes, those famously cheap bits of military hardware 🤣
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Well my point is you seem quite happy to waste billions on conflicts when it suits
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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shmmeee said:
Ah yes, those famously cheap bits of military hardware 🤣
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I think maybe he's arguing it cost Israel little and the US/UK absorbed the cost.

I'd certainly hope we're charging Israel for any of our hardware they're using, but wouldn't put it past Netanyahu saying they should do so for free as it protects their own interests.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I think maybe he's arguing it cost Israel little and the US/UK absorbed the cost.

I'd certainly hope we're charging Israel for any of our hardware they're using, but wouldn't put it past Netanyahu saying they should do so for free as it protects their own interests.
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I’m not sure Iran care too much about which cost centre accounting are putting it under.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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shmmeee said:
I’m not sure Iran care too much about which cost centre accounting are putting it under.
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No, but Israel will. Having done all the things they've done and then have someone else pick up the tab of any retaliation isn't going to moderate their behaviour.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
No, but Israel will. Having done all the things they've done and then have someone else pick up the tab of any retaliation isn't going to moderate their behaviour.
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It’s all running down a balance. Whether it’s the Iron Dome funding or the aid from US/UK. We provided the weapons in Ukraine too.

Fact is the point of these attacks is that they’re cost effective and if you get lucky you might hit something. The maths is different from old school rocket attacks.
 
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CCFCSteve

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shmmeee said:
It’s all running down a balance. Whether it’s the Iron Dome funding or the aid from US/UK. We provided the weapons in Ukraine too.

Fact is the point of these attacks is that they’re cost effective and if you get lucky you might hit something. The maths is different from old school rocket attacks.
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Yeah, I presume the assumption was most would/nearly all would be taken out but as you say, there’s the cost impact of defence and Iran had to be seen to do something

I understand some might not be too happy with U.K. helping to take out the drones and missiles but I guess the alternative was to let them hit israel and a wider war to escalate. Probably on balance the right call although a tough one and you’d hope came with some conditions regarding Israel’s future conduct

Heard someone on the radio this morning saying we should providing same defence support to Ukraine ie taking out any unmanned Russian drones. hard to argue against really
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, I presume the assumption was most would/nearly all would be taken out but as you say, there’s the cost impact of defence and Iran had to be seen to do something

I understand some might not be too happy with U.K. helping to take out the drones and missiles but I guess the alternative was to let them hit israel and a wider war to escalate. Probably on balance the right call although a tough one and you’d hope came with some conditions regarding Israel’s future conduct

Heard someone on the radio this morning saying we should providing same defence support to Ukraine ie taking out any unmanned Russian drones. hard to argue against really
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That was Cameron's reasoning, i see.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, I presume the assumption was most would/nearly all would be taken out but as you say, there’s the cost impact of defence and Iran had to be seen to do something

I understand some might not be too happy with U.K. helping to take out the drones and missiles but I guess the alternative was to let them hit israel and a wider war to escalate. Probably on balance the right call although a tough one and you’d hope came with some conditions regarding Israel’s future conduct

Heard someone on the radio this morning saying we should providing same defence support to Ukraine ie taking out any unmanned Russian drones. hard to argue against really
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Yeah generally I’m OK with this. Though I’d like to see it in Ukraine too. Iran is basically Russia aligned anyway (they’re literally their drones in Ukraine).

I saw someone ask why we don’t shoot down missiles from Israel into Gaza, but leaving aside the politics I’m not even sure how that would work.
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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I think it was right that we along with our traditional allies defended Israel against the barrage of missiles and drones from Iran at the weekend. Partly because if we didn’t it would almost certainly have been a massive escalation ( although we might not have dodged that bullet yet, Netanyahus “war” cabinet meeting this afternoon to discuss what they’ll do next. Netanyahu should listen to Biden and accept the win.) but mostly I don’t accept for one moment that Netanyahu has the backing of his people. He’s tanking in the polls and there’s mass protests every weekend against him.

I just wish we had a government and opposition that would show Palestinians the same respect. We have missed multiple opportunities to de escalate this situation simply by not giving Israel a blank cheque to do what it likes in Gaza. The weekends events might not have even happened had we been stronger with Israel.
 
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