skybluetony176
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Natalie Elphicke? You’ve got to be kidding. Who next Gullis! Not sure WTF Starmer is thinking on this one. He should have stayed well clear. Hope she loses her seat at the GE.
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clint van damme
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I think she's knocking it on the head at the next GE so not sure what this is all about.
It's a pretty easy short term win for Labour really.
The average person on the street won't know who she is or what she stands for, but they will take notice of 'Tory MP defects to Labour and calls Sunak and the Tories useless cunts'.
She's standing down anyway, and Starmer will have her on a short leash until then.
It's not a shift in labour ideology, it's simply another vehicle to stick the boot into the Tories.
The usual crowd won't like it of course but it's pretty obviously good politics.
The average person on the street won't know who she is or what she stands for, but they will take notice of 'Tory MP defects to Labour and calls Sunak and the Tories useless cunts'.
She's standing down anyway, and Starmer will have her on a short leash until then.
It's not a shift in labour ideology, it's simply another vehicle to stick the boot into the Tories.
The usual crowd won't like it of course but it's pretty obviously good politics.
Sky Blue Pete
Well-Known Member
Is she anti abortion
Liquid Gold
Well-Known Member
She voted to make it a criminal offence in NI.
That's without mentioning the rest of her record.
Voting record - Natalie Elphicke, former MP, Dover
See how Natalie Elphicke voted on topics like Employment, Social Issues, Foreign Policy, and more.
www.theyworkforyou.com
StrettoBoy
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Elphicke's defection is bizarre.
She gave one of her main reasons for crossing the floor as Sunak's failure to stop the votes but she is hardly a fan of Starmer's immigration policy:
www.express.co.uk
She was also a right wing Tory and ardent Brexiteer!
She gave one of her main reasons for crossing the floor as Sunak's failure to stop the votes but she is hardly a fan of Starmer's immigration policy:
Don't trust Labour on immigration - they really want open borders
This year needs to be a turning point in our efforts to tackle illegal immigration, writes MP Natalie Elphicke.
She was also a right wing Tory and ardent Brexiteer!
Skybluekyle
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Yeah, she also tried to influence judges in her, then, husband's court case for sexually assaulting two women.
It's ironic that the upholding the "Rule of Law" is a constitutional principle of the UK (albeit the UK does not a constitution contained to a single document), that MPs can act, for all intents and purposes, therefore unconstitutionally, with impunity, shows something is seriously wrong.
It's ironic that the upholding the "Rule of Law" is a constitutional principle of the UK (albeit the UK does not a constitution contained to a single document), that MPs can act, for all intents and purposes, therefore unconstitutionally, with impunity, shows something is seriously wrong.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Apparently she backed Truss for PM also. The more I read about her the less it makes sense unless she’s had a road to Damascus style conversion.
David O'Day
Well-Known Member
Elphicke is a prick but it's worth it for:
a) Giving Sunak a kicking
b) The utter look of confusion on Gullis' face when he saw her sat behind Starmer.
a) Giving Sunak a kicking
b) The utter look of confusion on Gullis' face when he saw her sat behind Starmer.
Short term just to play the crowd, genuine question how many more are required for Hung parliament?
David O'Day
Well-Known Member
It's a give Sunak a kicking on her way out move.
Liquid Gold
Well-Known Member
What's the limit to 'giving Sunak a kicking'?
Would you accept Farage into the party? Maybe if Labour bought out policy to export every non-white? That would give him a right kicking.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Think it’s about 320 as Sinn Fein don’t take their seats. So about another 24 defections/resignations from the Tories needed before Sunak needs a deal with the DUP to get anything through although technically he could limp on until a GE unless everyone else clubs together, which ain’t going to happen.
duffer
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Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the individual MP, she was elected by her constituency as a Conservative, taking the Tory whip, and supporting a Tory manifesto.
If she wants to stand under a different banner, then it should be put back to the electorate via a by-election.
I'd say the same for anyone who chooses to swap parties post-election.
As for whether it will convince more Tory voters to switch to Labour, who knows - I think most will file under the usual, can't trust a politician to mean what they say opportunism.
It's a win for Starmer though, in his seemingly ceaseless quest to move the party to the right. Whether that's good for the country, I guess we'll see.
If she wants to stand under a different banner, then it should be put back to the electorate via a by-election.
I'd say the same for anyone who chooses to swap parties post-election.
As for whether it will convince more Tory voters to switch to Labour, who knows - I think most will file under the usual, can't trust a politician to mean what they say opportunism.
It's a win for Starmer though, in his seemingly ceaseless quest to move the party to the right. Whether that's good for the country, I guess we'll see.
duffer
Well-Known Member
Just a minor amendment to your maths... Given the current rate of sexual scandals etc. the Tories seem to be prone to, there might be another dozen or so that get the boot before this government is done.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
I am surprised Lee Anderson wasn't asked to make a return
Brighton Sky Blue
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The nation didn’t get to go to the polls for the last two PMs, never mind constituents being able to have a by election for an MP who changes parties.
Yeah because that's the next logical step after taking in a tory defector isn't it.
Come on, I know you're just making a point but it loses any credence when making such silly comparisons.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
They haven't gone to the polls other than Blair for any Labour PM since Harold Wilson
clint van damme
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Liquid Gold
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Grendel
Well-Known Member
She said Marcus Rashford should play football and not bother with his campaign, was a member of the ERG, openly slated Labour on its pathetic stance on immigration, backed Liz Truss and defended her husbands dodgy activities with women when he was sent to prison.
I mean what is there not to like - that I guess is what Labour stands for
I don't like her or what she stands for any more than you do, but if it results in a net gain of votes/rating then yes that is quite literally good politics.
You'll note from my reply I was referring to the absurd 'exporting all non whites' comment.
clint van damme
Well-Known Member
Keith and his missions, what a wanker
www.google.com
Keir Starmer promises to halve violence against women as part of crime ‘mission’
Labour’s plan would include dedicated rape courts and domestic violence experts taking 999 calls, says party leader
I mean I've got more in my left little toe than you have in your entire body that's for sure (though I suppose Islamaphobia is a principle of sorts).
Liquid Gold
Well-Known Member
Is he planning on just staying in on a Friday instead of going on one of his usual rampages then?Keith and his missions, what a wanker
Keir Starmer promises to halve violence against women as part of crime ‘mission’
Labour’s plan would include dedicated rape courts and domestic violence experts taking 999 calls, says party leader
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Good politics
"One Labour MP said there was significant anger among some women in the party. “Most of us on the backbenches struggle to get any contact at all from the Labour leader or his team – perhaps if we were to stand in front of a few more flags or join the [European Research Group]?”
An MP on the left of the party added: “I think many in the party think it’s disgusting, that we don’t need people like that in the Labour party, and that she is absolutely vile … Who in their right mind thought this was helpful?”
"One Labour MP said there was significant anger among some women in the party. “Most of us on the backbenches struggle to get any contact at all from the Labour leader or his team – perhaps if we were to stand in front of a few more flags or join the [European Research Group]?”
An MP on the left of the party added: “I think many in the party think it’s disgusting, that we don’t need people like that in the Labour party, and that she is absolutely vile … Who in their right mind thought this was helpful?”
