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[skybluetony176]

I see Sunak is telling anyone who will listen that the results from last week prove that we’re heading for a hung parliament. Not sure if he’s a fool or he thinks everyone else is. I don’t think in his case the two are mutually exclusive.

It’s a pretty ridiculous statement. Voting is always narrower at GE’s than council elections. If independents were a party they were the forth biggest party last week, that won’t happen at a GE. Crucially it was only English elections last week, he’s working on the premise that Labour won’t make gains in Scotland, which seems highly unlikely given the state of the SNP at the moment.

No doubt that the polls will narrow and the Tories will do better than polls suggest but unless Reform chooses not to run it’s difficult to see where they’re going to get the votes from to win enough seats in England for it to be a hung parliament and it is England that they’ll have to do it in. They’re not going to take Scotland or Wales.

 

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[shmmeee]

I see Sunak is telling anyone who will listen that the results from last week prove that we’re heading for a hung parliament. Not sure if he’s a fool or he thinks everyone else is. I don’t think in his case the two are mutually exclusive.

It’s a pretty ridiculous statement. Voting is always narrower at GE’s than council elections. If independents were a party they were the forth biggest party last week, that won’t happen at a GE. Crucially it was only English elections last week, he’s working on the premise that Labour won’t make gains in Scotland, which seems highly unlikely given the state of the SNP at the moment.

No doubt that the polls will narrow and the Tories will do better than polls suggest but unless Reform chooses not to run it’s difficult to see where they’re going to get the votes from to win enough seats in England for it to be a hung parliament and it is England that they’ll have to do it in. They’re not going to take Scotland or Wales.

The narrative is actually really good for Labour. Will limit protest voting and encourage the vote to get out where a landslide would give people permission not to bother.

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a PM as bad at politics as Sunak.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Labour now the party to join if you want to ban abortion but advocate for mild social democracy or the end to a genocide and you'll be booted out.

 

[skybluetony176]

Natalie Elphicke? You’ve got to be kidding. Who next Gullis! Not sure WTF Starmer is thinking on this one. He should have stayed well clear. Hope she loses her seat at the GE.

 

[clint van damme]

Natalie Elphicke? You’ve got to be kidding. Who next Gullis! Not sure WTF Starmer is thinking on this one. He should have stayed well clear. Hope she loses her seat at the GE.

I think she's knocking it on the head at the next GE so not sure what this is all about.

 

[PVA]

It's a pretty easy short term win for Labour really.

The average person on the street won't know who she is or what she stands for, but they will take notice of 'Tory MP defects to Labour and calls Sunak and the Tories useless cunts'.

She's standing down anyway, and Starmer will have her on a short leash until then.

It's not a shift in labour ideology, it's simply another vehicle to stick the boot into the Tories.

The usual crowd won't like it of course but it's pretty obviously good politics.

 

[Sick Boy]

It's a pretty easy short term win for Labour really.

The average person on the street won't know who she is or what she stands for, but they will take notice of 'Tory MP defects to Labour and calls Sunak and the Tories useless cunts'.

She's standing down anyway, and Starmer will have her on a short leash until then.

It's not a shift in labour ideology, it's simply another vehicle to stick the boot into the Tories.

The usual crowd won't like it of course but it's pretty obviously good politics.

Yeah it’ll appeal to those who’ve voted Tory in the past rather than traditional Labour voters.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Labour now the party to join if you want to ban abortion but advocate for mild social democracy or the end to a genocide and you'll be booted out.

Is she anti abortion

 

[Liquid Gold]

Is she anti abortion

She voted to make it a criminal offence in NI.

That's without mentioning the rest of her record.

Voting record - Natalie Elphicke MP, Dover

See how Natalie Elphicke voted on topics like Employment, Social Issues, Foreign Policy, and more.

www.theyworkforyou.com

 

[StrettoBoy]

Elphicke's defection is bizarre.

She gave one of her main reasons for crossing the floor as Sunak's failure to stop the votes but she is hardly a fan of Starmer's immigration policy:

Don't trust Labour on immigration - they really want open borders

This year needs to be a turning point in our efforts to tackle illegal immigration, writes MP Natalie Elphicke.

www.express.co.uk

She was also a right wing Tory and ardent Brexiteer!

 

[Skybluekyle]

Yeah, she also tried to influence judges in her, then, husband's court case for sexually assaulting two women.

It's ironic that the upholding the "Rule of Law" is a constitutional principle of the UK (albeit the UK does not a constitution contained to a single document), that MPs can act, for all intents and purposes, therefore unconstitutionally, with impunity, shows something is seriously wrong.

 

[rob9872]

Loved a bit of Boon.

 

[skybluetony176]

Apparently she backed Truss for PM also. The more I read about her the less it makes sense unless she’s had a road to Damascus style conversion.

 

[David O'Day]

Elphicke is a prick but it's worth it for:

a) Giving Sunak a kicking
b) The utter look of confusion on Gullis' face when he saw her sat behind Starmer.

 

[wingy]

Apparently she backed Truss for PM also. The more I read about her the less it makes sense unless she’s had a road to Damascus style conversion.

Short term just to play the crowd, genuine question how many more are required for Hung parliament?

 

[David O'Day]

Apparently she backed Truss for PM also. The more I read about her the less it makes sense unless she’s had a road to Damascus style conversion.

It's a give Sunak a kicking on her way out move.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Elphicke is a prick but it's worth it for:

a) Giving Sunak a kicking
b) The utter look of confusion on Gullis' face when he saw her sat behind Starmer.

What's the limit to 'giving Sunak a kicking'?

Would you accept Farage into the party? Maybe if Labour bought out policy to export every non-white? That would give him a right kicking.

 

[skybluetony176]

Short term just to play the crowd, genuine question how many more are required for Hung parliament?

Think it’s about 320 as Sinn Fein don’t take their seats. So about another 24 defections/resignations from the Tories needed before Sunak needs a deal with the DUP to get anything through although technically he could limp on until a GE unless everyone else clubs together, which ain’t going to happen.

 

[duffer]

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the individual MP, she was elected by her constituency as a Conservative, taking the Tory whip, and supporting a Tory manifesto.

If she wants to stand under a different banner, then it should be put back to the electorate via a by-election.

I'd say the same for anyone who chooses to swap parties post-election.

As for whether it will convince more Tory voters to switch to Labour, who knows - I think most will file under the usual, can't trust a politician to mean what they say opportunism.

It's a win for Starmer though, in his seemingly ceaseless quest to move the party to the right. Whether that's good for the country, I guess we'll see.

 

[duffer]

Think it’s about 320 as Sinn Fein don’t take their seats. So about another 24 defections/resignations from the Tories needed before Sunak needs a deal with the DUP to get anything through although technically he could limp on until a GE unless everyone else clubs together, which ain’t going to happen.

Just a minor amendment to your maths... Given the current rate of sexual scandals etc. the Tories seem to be prone to, there might be another dozen or so that get the boot before this government is done.

 

[Grendel]

What's the limit to 'giving Sunak a kicking'?

Would you accept Farage into the party? Maybe if Labour bought out policy to export every non-white? That would give him a right kicking.

I am surprised Lee Anderson wasn't asked to make a return

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the individual MP, she was elected by her constituency as a Conservative, taking the Tory whip, and supporting a Tory manifesto.

If she wants to stand under a different banner, then it should be put back to the electorate via a by-election.

I'd say the same for anyone who chooses to swap parties post-election.

As for whether it will convince more Tory voters to switch to Labour, who knows - I think most will file under the usual, can't trust a politician to mean what they say opportunism.

It's a win for Starmer though, in his seemingly ceaseless quest to move the party to the right. Whether that's good for the country, I guess we'll see.

The nation didn’t get to go to the polls for the last two PMs, never mind constituents being able to have a by election for an MP who changes parties.

 

[PVA]

What's the limit to 'giving Sunak a kicking'?

Maybe if Labour bought out policy to export every non-white? That would give him a right kicking.

Yeah because that's the next logical step after taking in a tory defector isn't it.

Come on, I know you're just making a point but it loses any credence when making such silly comparisons.

 

[Grendel]

The nation didn’t get to go to the polls for the last two PMs, never mind constituents being able to have a by election for an MP who changes parties.

They haven't gone to the polls other than Blair for any Labour PM since Harold Wilson

 

[clint van damme]

It's a pretty easy short term win for Labour really.

The average person on the street won't know who she is or what she stands for, but they will take notice of 'Tory MP defects to Labour and calls Sunak and the Tories useless cunts'.

She's standing down anyway, and Starmer will have her on a short leash until then.

It's not a shift in labour ideology, it's simply another vehicle to stick the boot into the Tories.

The usual crowd won't like it of course but it's pretty obviously good politics.

Accepting someone who supported a nonce is good politics? Fucking hell.
Then again, if you can support war crimes you can support anything.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Yeah because that's the next logical step after taking in a tory defector isn't it.

Come on, I know you're just making a point but it loses any credence when making such silly comparisons.

Fucking lol

 

[Grendel]

Yeah because that's the next logical step after taking in a tory defector isn't it.

Come on, I know you're just making a point but it loses any credence when making such silly comparisons.

She said Marcus Rashford should play football and not bother with his campaign, was a member of the ERG, openly slated Labour on its pathetic stance on immigration, backed Liz Truss and defended her husbands dodgy activities with women when he was sent to prison.

I mean what is there not to like - that I guess is what Labour stands for

 

[PVA]

Accepting someone who supported a nonce is good politics? Fucking hell.
Then again, if you can support war crimes you can support anything.

I don't like her or what she stands for any more than you do, but if it results in a net gain of votes/rating then yes that is quite literally good politics.

 

[PVA]

Fucking lol

You'll note from my reply I was referring to the absurd 'exporting all non whites' comment.

 

[clint van damme]

Keith and his missions, what a wanker

Keir Starmer promises to halve violence against women as part of crime ‘mission’

Labour’s plan would include dedicated rape courts and domestic violence experts taking 999 calls, says party leader

www.google.com

 

[Grendel]

I don't like her or what she stands for any more than you do, but if it results in a net gain of votes/rating then yes that is quite literally good politics.

Do you have any principals at all?

 

[Grendel]

You'll note from my reply I was referring to the absurd 'exporting all non whites' comment.

She is totally anti immigration

 

[PVA]

Do you have any principals at all?

I mean I've got more in my left little toe than you have in your entire body that's for sure (though I suppose Islamaphobia is a principle of sorts).

 

[Liquid Gold]

Keith and his missions, what a wanker

Keir Starmer promises to halve violence against women as part of crime ‘mission’

Labour’s plan would include dedicated rape courts and domestic violence experts taking 999 calls, says party leader

www.google.com

Is he planning on just staying in on a Friday instead of going on one of his usual rampages then?

 

[PVA]

She is totally anti immigration