USSR invades Ukraine. (76 Viewers)
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I don't think jokes about disabled people are funny yet you seem to think it's hilarious.
Just bore off. Fucking tedious.
This would be an incredible achievement if they can do it
www.telegraph.co.uk
Putin may be about to lose Crimea
The ‘unsinkable aircraft carrier’ may not be sinking – but it’s quite dangerous to be aboard
www.telegraph.co.uk
skybluetony176
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I did see that they’ve took out Russian air defence systems overnight at three logistical points in Crimea. Seems that they’re setting up for something bigger like key infrastructure. Not sure Crimea falling is in their sights but certainly helps cutting of supply in other occupied areas of Ukraine.This would be an incredible achievement if they can do it
Putin may be about to lose Crimea
The ‘unsinkable aircraft carrier’ may not be sinking – but it’s quite dangerous to be aboard
It's very unlikely, but they do appear to be shifting to the west.
Russia is an embarrassment to what it used to be to be honest. It can only do local conflicts. America enjoys to watch it eat itself. The people that really run the world are the English speaking nations. America, England, Canada Australia. We love Poland too we owe those boys a lot.
But they are looking to shift to the west so yet another strategic masterclass from Putin.
Sick Boy
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Yet another Putin stooge calling for peace - Farage’s Ukraine comments were hardly offensive – other party leaders could use a history lesson | Nigel Farage | The Guardian
Brighton Sky Blue
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A glorified cease fire that will just allow him time to rearm and invade to take more land.
Sick Boy
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It would be if those doing negotiations were incompetent. The alternative is a never ending war or the west getting directly involved, which won’t end well.
Brighton Sky Blue
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How could the negotiations avoid that outcome?
Sick Boy
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Presumably some sort of clause that if Russia invades Ukraine it would automatically draw others into conflict.
Sick Boy
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Good to see you laugh @Brighton Sky Blue - I seem to remember you were under the impression there was some kind of signed agreement after Crimea, whereas the conflict never actually stopped.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I understand the rationale behind it, I just think it would do nothing to prevent another invasion in the moderate term future. It would unfold not dissimilar to the Munich Agreement in my view.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I laugh because what you’ve proposed is tantamount to Ukraine being in NATO or as good as in Putin’s eyes.
Sick Boy
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Well, he’s kind of brought it on himself and it’s why negotiations will take place that allow him to save face. Unfortunately, the alternative is a never ending conflict.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Wasn’t the whole justification for him invading being Ukraine getting too close to NATO?
Sick Boy
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If you take everything he says at face value.
The reality is there will be a settlement with the current battlefield. The days of Johnson and Macron exploiting the conflict to further their own political careers are at an end.
Brighton Sky Blue
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You’re taking him at face value by believing he won’t invade again just because he signs a piece of paper. All the while this ‘saving face’ involves him annexing more Ukrainian territory.If you take everything he says at face value.
The reality is there will be a settlement with the current battlefield. The days of Johnson and Macron exploiting the conflict to further their own political careers are at an end.
Sick Boy
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The direct consequence of bringing others into the conflict that he wouldn’t be able to win isn’t going to be something that he’d take lightly. It also allows him to save face while essentially having Ukraine in NATO without it being official.
Unfortunately there isn’t going to be a glorious Ukrainian victory; the alternative is a never ending war. Ukraine giving up land is inevitable at this point and its naive to think that it’s not being talked about behind closed doors.
I know it’s wrong and unjust but it’s the reality of the situation.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Others are already involved and as long as they are he also can’t win. That scenario being no different to what’s happening now.
People like him don’t respect appeasement.
Sick Boy
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Oh well, as long as there’s a long line of innocent people with no choice on both sides to lose their lives, it’s much better than trying to bring it to an end.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I want it brought to an end with Russia’s military defeat or complete withdrawal. Putin could leave the territory today and we’d have peace tomorrow.
Why allow him a slice of territory that isn’t his?
Jenkins has been talking appeasement shite since the war began.
skybluetony176
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So that would mean that Russia withdraws completely including Crimea? Otherwise they’ll still be invading Ukraine.
Also we’ve already done this in 1994. It meant nothing to Putin.