Transfer Rumour Matty James (4 Viewers)

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Kingokings204

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Saddlebrains said:
Robins wouldn't be revisiting it if he didn't think it would help us definitely
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surely robins has enough sway to convince Doug. Dean Austin will be on robins side you would think.

Doug was there on Saturday. It’s obvious to even him…..surely.
 
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fernandopartridge

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Saddlebrains said:
This is the frustration isn't it. Alongside the complete aversion to loans

For me it's where it shows King is new to football and his understanding of it. It's all well and good having a model, and we're all glad we have it. But you can't treat a football club the same as other business, because not having experience or borrowed quality will mean (in my view) you won't get the desired outcome
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Yes, must remember the primary function of transfer policy is enabling the team to win football matches not potential long term profit on sales
 
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Sky Blue Goblin said:
If only Brandon Williams wasent such a feckless twat could have been perfect for us on a free.
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I think Williams needs a whole load of realism to hit him, he was earning a fortune and seemingly very unprofessional and now it is biting him on the arse as anybody who thinks of offering anywhere will speak to other people that have been around him.
 
Marty

Marty

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I'd have him, exactly what we need imo, decent midfielder, leader, accustomed to the dark arts, 1 year deal with a further year option if he plays however many games.
 
Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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Saddlebrains said:
This is the frustration isn't it. Alongside the complete aversion to loans

For me it's where it shows King is new to football and his understanding of it. It's all well and good having a model, and we're all glad we have it. But you can't treat a football club the same as other business, because not having experience or borrowed quality will mean (in my view) you won't get the desired outcome
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That experience and borrowed quality often improve your own assets immeasurably too
 
Mucca Mad Boys

Mucca Mad Boys

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fernandopartridge said:
This is James stats compared with Eccles and Sheaf last season:

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Player Comparison: Matty James vs. Ben Sheaf vs. Josh Eccles | FBref.com

Player Comparison: Matty James vs. Ben Sheaf vs. Josh Eccles
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As you can see, our two players compare favourably on most metrics
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James would be brought in on a 4th choice basis. Which is pretty impressive. Eccles in particular would thrive having James alongside him rather than Torp imo, and vice versa.

We need to take the burden off Sheaf too. When he plays, he’s 82 mpg on average, Eccles is playing 73 mpg. Having a James (or similar) to see out the last 20-30 minutes would do more for Sheaf longevity.
 
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Deity

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fernandopartridge said:
Yes, must remember the primary function of transfer policy is enabling the team to win football matches not potential long term profit on sales
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It’s a twin objective ….improve the playing squad and give the club playing assets that make us sustainable.

You can’t have the former without the latter
 
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SkyB

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For anyone to lazy to click on Fernando's link:

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But to look at stats in isolation for this transfer would be an oversight. If we want to follow in the footsteps of Brighton and Brentford they aren't adverse to signing more senior players, think Milner, Lallana, Pontus Jansson etc.
 
JSL

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Saddlebrains said:
Actually got some solid info on this

Was explored back in July but of course we had other targets

First contact made Thursday after it became clear Kasey was leaving, James is keen, would love to come back and play in front of Cov fans as didnt during Covid. Still speaks regularly to Sheaf and Eccles.

Doesn't want silly money, we would be looking around 12 -15 a week, 1 year deal with another in clubs favour

Robins is very keen and wants to get it done, Doug blocked it as he "doesn't fit the model".

The poor performance of Saturday happened, Robins has stated again he wants him. James still keen, kept himself fit and is ready to go.

Big test for me this I feel. If James comes in it shows Robins really does still hold the reins.

If he doesnt, that would point to Doug being the man with more say on transfers than Robins

In my view anyway. I'm sure il be told I hate Doug etc
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That all sounds quite believable to me. It also infers of tension between DK and MR which adds fuel to the unsubstantiated rumours I have heard of the two of them having a 'falling out' last week.
 
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CCFCSteve

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Liquid Gold said:
That experience and borrowed quality often improve your own assets immeasurably too
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Im sure it’s far easier to secure loans of young players when there’s a likelihood of them starting most games. We now have a lot more strength in depth and most fans acknowledged any additional players signed were likely back ups

Last season we had ayari who was lightweight and got sent back early as Robins wouldn’t play him and Binks who played half the games. By all accounts we tried to sign a loan this window but they got injured so stayed with their parent club.

It’s just this site seems to ignore facts these days
 
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Kingokings204

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JSL said:
That all sounds quite believable to me. It also infers of tension between DK and MR which adds fuel to the unsubstantiated rumours I have heard of them two of them having a 'falling out' last week.
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they aren’t going to agree on everything. It’s transfer deadline week. Tensions are high I’m sure
 
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Deity

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skybluecam said:
Well exactly, no one, because we fucked it in the actual transfer window.

I wouldn’t be opposed to it now but it’s pretty much an admission of failure by the recruitment team.
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It depends what you consider success….

we strengthened our Keeper, out wide on both flanks, the striking options and made Binks perm.

We didn’t sell any of our key players.

we managed to offload Godden and Palmer for fees.

That’s a good window, maybe even a very good window. If we had added a great number 6 or 8 that would have made it a brilliant window.

failing to land one target doesn’t make all other progress irrelevant …..
 
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Perennial Lurker

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Deity said:
It depends what you consider success….

we strengthened our Keeper, out wide on both flanks, the striking options and made Binks perm.

We didn’t sell any of our key players.

we managed to offload Godden and Palmer for fees.

That’s a good window, maybe even a very good window. If we had added a great number 6 or 8 that would have made it a brilliant window.

failing to land one target doesn’t make all other progress irrelevant …..
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And it wasn't for the want of trying
 
Pezza

Pezza

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I really like Doug's model, it reminds me of Crewe back in the day (Ashton, Hulse, Murphy, etc went for millions even then), it's even more savvy these days buying 'assets' and selling them on with add on's and bigger money, then going it again. He obviously timed it well and saw how well it went with Hamer and Vik. However, this approach only works when the potential you invest in actually develops. How do they do that? it's not just talent and working hard. They need an environment, staff, facilities and a team that they can perform in. The top teams have those experienced characters who push the talent on, inspire them, protect and look after them. There was a whole thread on Torp on this forum. who does he have in and around him on the pitch who can look after him and help him develop? A Matty James type player would be massive.
Just my view on it, I'd take a couple of 30+ players and create the right team environment.
 
Sick Boy

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Saddlebrains said:
Actually got some solid info on this

Was explored back in July but of course we had other targets

First contact made Thursday after it became clear Kasey was leaving, James is keen, would love to come back and play in front of Cov fans as didnt during Covid. Still speaks regularly to Sheaf and Eccles.

Doesn't want silly money, we would be looking around 12 -15 a week, 1 year deal with another in clubs favour

Robins is very keen and wants to get it done, Doug blocked it as he "doesn't fit the model".

The poor performance of Saturday happened, Robins has stated again he wants him. James still keen, kept himself fit and is ready to go.

Big test for me this I feel. If James comes in it shows Robins really does still hold the reins.

If he doesnt, that would point to Doug being the man with more say on transfers than Robins

In my view anyway. I'm sure il be told I hate Doug etc
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Genuinely hope that isn’t true.
 
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Perennial Lurker

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Pezza said:
I really like Doug's model, it reminds me of Crewe back in the day (Ashton, Hulse, Murphy, etc went for millions even then), it's even more savvy these days buying 'assets' and selling them on with add on's and bigger money, then going it again. He obviously timed it well and saw how well it went with Hamer and Vik. However, this approach only works when the potential you invest in actually develops. How do they do that? it's not just talent and working hard. They need an environment, staff, facilities and a team that they can perform in. The top teams have those experienced characters who push the talent on, inspire them, protect and look after them. There was a whole thread on Torp on this forum. who does he have in and around him on the pitch who can look after him and help him develop? A Matty James type player would be massive.
Just my view on it, I'd take a couple of 30+ players and create the right team environment.
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Agree with all of that as long as the experienced players contributed and added to the starting eleven
 
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