Robins has to go… (16 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

He was playing for a League One club when we signed him. I’m not sure why that’s hard to understand. He was a Championship player in 23/24 and we signed him in 24/25 when he was at a League One club who had just been relegated.

It's not really relevant.
I put up on here he was our player in April so the deal was done when he was in the Championship but they were clearly going down .
The main point is, did we pay over the odds for him?

 

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[shmmeee]

Because he was playing in L1 the season before we signed him.

If you're making a point that we should've got Rudoni cheaper because Hudds got relegated, then fair enough that's valid. If you're trying to make a point about us signing players based on L1 performances that obviously isn't valid.

Im saying we overpaid. I actually think despite being the most expensive we overpaid less for Rudoni than the others.

But he’s 23, Kitching was 24, EMC 25. Paying £4m+ to a L1 club for whom that’s a fortune is IMO unforgivable. At those ages you aren’t even buying potential really. Of all the players above him in that list only Kahzri who was signed for €11m is over 21.

 

[skybluecam]

It's not really relevant.
I put up on here he was our player in April so the deal was done when he was in the Championship but they were clearly going down .
The main point is, did we pay over the odds for him?

Overpaying or not is a secondary question to whether we should've signed him in the first place.

I like him. But don't think the system is suiting him, we seem to have reverted to quite a rigid 4231 where he is playing as a classic 10, like O'Hare did - I think he'd be better in a flatter/more fluid midfield 3.

 

[shmmeee]

It's not really relevant.
I put up on here he was our player in April so the deal was done when he was in the Championship but they were clearly going down .
The main point is, did we pay over the odds for him?

That’s the point I’m making. You should pay less to a L1 club because they’ve got L1 finances.

 

[Paxman II]

We are over reacting tbh.
Robin's is a good manager and has proven time and again he will get things right.
The problem is what happened behind the scenes to make the club get on the front foot and approach everything from a higher standpoint? To this end changes have taken place throughout the club and training ground to give the club the look more suited to a club of our size and history. Even down to everyone in club tracksuits. All of this is admirable and was needed.
So if you look the part, you then have to back it up.
The second phase was build on Robin's brilliant legacy to date and give him the squad to step up to another level. That partially came about last season but tailed away in the end with too much too soon pressure.
The close season was the main squad rebuild and we have secured good players. They need time and nurturing. You can clearly see the level some of these players have is an improvement on what we had.
So why are we getting such disaray and chaoctic performances that even Robin's seems mystified by?
I touched on this many weeks ago. The finger needs pointing at two areas that are crucial and have changed to the detrement of the football clubs ethos, thus directly affecting performances on the pitch with many players performing like Jeykll and hyde.
1st: he had some areas of direct authority spread between a team of backroom staff that he normally would have handle himself, daily with the likes of sidekick Adi Vivash. Having performances directors, and a whole array of positions handling everything in the hope Robin's was free to concentrate more on the playing side. Yes in theory but we are not Man City, and no pretence will acheive that. As Robin's has alluded to, he no longer has full control over scouting areas, and rather has suggested players brought to him. This I can imagine creates conflict, in so much a player is identified and a team of 'experts' want him, while Robin's may disagree but is under pressure to say yes.
2nd: The coaching staff changes. We have all mentioned the loss of Vivash and whatever the truth behind that sudden departure after 7 years or so with Robin's can't have been ideal. Hail the new team of coaches who's job has been made clear to get top performances from players. There are keeper coaches, defensive coaches, striker coaches etc etc. Seems like too many cooks in the kitchen all pulling in different directions. The confusion for the players must be terrible. This has lost Robin's ability to get his own ideas clear to the players. Yes he picks the side, but seems heavily influenced by the backroom 'team'. So far the coaching ability has shown us nothing of note, and I question if they are up to the job and it's time to recognise they are not? Robin's must grab back some authority he suceeded and bring a strong arm to the table at the next meeting with King. Changes must be made to suit Robin's going forward. If that is to get himself a distinct number 2 in the mold of Vivash, and slim down the array of coaches so the message is clear to the players , so be it. My fear is not that Robin's should go, but that Robin's might walk!

 

[MalcSB]

In the bottom three, probably bottom.

amass

verb

gather together or accumulate (a large amount or number of material or things) over a period of time.
"he amassed a fortune estimated at close to a million pounds"

My point exactly. How does “a large amount or number” apply to 8 points out of a potential 27?
Scrape together is a more appropriate term.

 

[Cally Fedora]

You keep banging this tired drum. It’s really odd - your whole posting is really odd.

Ironic.

 

[MalcSB]

If I continue to walk in a straight line, I'll eventually end up a few miles away. Not really discussion worthy logic, is it.

Yes, and if you continue to walk in a straight line away from your preferred destination, you will end up somewhere you don’t really want to be.

 

[Gint11]

just looked online trying to find current state of play. According to transfer Market we have a net spend of 15M in red and it looks like it has all players on it.

I do expect improvement, I do expect better but my original point which seems to be lost on a few was that the “we’ve spent £45M, we should be better” is not accurate as we’ve sold players which negates this.

If we spent millions and sold no one, I’d expect promotion but we haven’t.

 

[napolimp]

Yes, and if you continue to walk in a straight lone away from your preferred destination, you will end up somewhere you don’t really want to be.

Right, but if I take a couple of steps side ways every now and then, I may be able to just about stop short of said destination. Then next year I can try walking again, without tripping over my own feet.

 

[shmmeee]

just looked online trying to find current state of play. According to transfer Market we have a net spend of 15M in red and it looks like it has all players on it.

I do expect improvement, I do expect better but my original point which seems to be lost on a few was that the “we’ve spent £45M, we should be better” is not accurate as we’ve sold players which negates this.

If we spent millions and sold no one, I’d expect promotion but we haven’t.

The rebuild was always going to be tough. I don’t know who or what the drivers were but I can’t help but feel we’ve significantly overspent and not built the right mix of talents and personalities.

I don’t expect us to go up straight away. But I expected us to move from a system reliant on two outstanding talents to a more balanced squad with a proper style of play.

 

[Diogenes]

My point exactly. How does “a large amount or number” apply to 8 points out of a potential 27?
Scrape together is a more appropriate term.

The point you make is a fair one, I must concede.

 

[MalcSB]

Wednesday were gifted that win. I don't personally think they did enough to win it on their own.

I have spent decades viewing matches through Sky Blue tinted glasses. The tint I. yours must be so dark as to render you incapable of sight,

 

[MalcSB]

I’m not saying he should be absolved. I think he should have took the second yellow. But in the heat of the moment and when he is clearly tired it’s easy for us to say as spectators

He managed a half hearted push in the back. From where he was, I think it would have had to be a straight red worthy hack to have stopped the player,

 

[MalcSB]

We were poor against Swansea, but not completely outplayed. I thought we outplayed Norwich for parts of the game.

Kick offs?

 

[Gint11]

The rebuild was always going to be tough. I don’t know who or what the drivers were but I can’t help but feel we’ve significantly overspent and not built the right mix of talents and personalities.

I don’t expect us to go up straight away. But I expected us to move from a system reliant on two outstanding talents to a more balanced squad with a proper style of play.

agree with that

 

[MalcSB]

Not an insult, saying if we continue losing we will be relegated, is the logic of a child. Try something with some thought behind it.

So, if we continue losing we won’t get relegated?

 

[MalcSB]

Point is we’ve spent well and we’ve spent all the windfall.

Did you mean we have spent a lot, results would suggest we haven’t spent well.

 

[wingy]

We are over reacting tbh.
Robin's is a good manager and has proven time and again he will get things right.
The problem is what happened behind the scenes to make the club get on the front foot and approach everything from a higher standpoint? To this end changes have taken place throughout the club and training ground to give the club the look more suited to a club of our size and history. Even down to everyone in club tracksuits. All of this is admirable and was needed.
So if you look the part, you then have to back it up.
The second phase was build on Robin's brilliant legacy to date and give him the squad to step up to another level. That partially came about last season but tailed away in the end with too much too soon pressure.
The close season was the main squad rebuild and we have secured good players. They need time and nurturing. You can clearly see the level some of these players have is an improvement on what we had.
So why are we getting such disaray and chaoctic performances that even Robin's seems mystified by?
I touched on this many weeks ago. The finger needs pointing at two areas that are crucial and have changed to the detrement of the football clubs ethos, thus directly affecting performances on the pitch with many players performing like Jeykll and hyde.
1st: he had some areas of direct authority spread between a team of backroom staff that he normally would have handle himself, daily with the likes of sidekick Adi Vivash. Having performances directors, and a whole array of positions handling everything in the hope Robin's was free to concentrate more on the playing side. Yes in theory but we are not Man City, and no pretence will acheive that. As Robin's has alluded to, he no longer has full control over scouting areas, and rather has suggested players brought to him. This I can imagine creates conflict, in so much a player is identified and a team of 'experts' want him, while Robin's may disagree but is under pressure to say yes.
2nd: The coaching staff changes. We have all mentioned the loss of Vivash and whatever the truth behind that sudden departure after 7 years or so with Robin's can't have been ideal. Hail the new team of coaches who's job has been made clear to get top performances from players. There are keeper coaches, defensive coaches, striker coaches etc etc. Seems like too many cooks in the kitchen all pulling in different directions. The confusion for the players must be terrible. This has lost Robin's ability to get his own ideas clear to the players. Yes he picks the side, but seems heavily influenced by the backroom 'team'. So far the coaching ability has shown us nothing of note, and I question if they are up to the job and it's time to recognise they are not? Robin's must grab back some authority he suceeded and bring a strong arm to the table at the next meeting with King. Changes must be made to suit Robin's going forward. If that is to get himself a distinct number 2 in the mold of Vivash, and slim down the array of coaches so the message is clear to the players , so be it. My fear is not that Robin's should go, but that Robin's might walk!

Or get shoved!

 

[2024/25 League 1 Champs?]

just looked online trying to find current state of play. According to transfer Market we have a net spend of 15M in red and it looks like it has all players on it.

I do expect improvement, I do expect better but my original point which seems to be lost on a few was that the “we’ve spent £45M, we should be better” is not accurate as we’ve sold players which negates this.

If we spent millions and sold no one, I’d expect promotion but we haven’t.

we’ve still spent it though haven’t we dickhead

net spend makes no difference, the point is the squad is worth what we’ve spent on it, and therefore should be performing to a higher level.

you’re trying to be clever but you can’t see the point….it’s like you’re saying well we bought Wright for £10M but sold Vik for £20M so that means Wright’s value is £-10M.

the point is we have added multi millions of pounds worth of players to the squad and they should be competing at the other end of the table.

 

[wingy]

we’ve still spent it though haven’t we dickhead

net spend makes no difference, the point is the squad is worth what we’ve spend on it, and therefore should be performing to a higher level.

you’re trying to be clever but you can’t see the point….it’s like you’re saying well we bought Wright for £10M but sold Vik for £20M so that means Wright’s value is £-10M.

the point is we have added multi millions of pounds worth of players to the squad and they should be competing at the other end of the table.

And they'll want out IMO, their agents certainly will,and less of the dickheads please if they hold a different view to you!

 

[sotvtoday]

This shit is exactly what we would be putting up with week in/week out if we ever got promoted.

 

[Gint11]

we’ve still spent it though haven’t we dickhead

net spend makes no difference, the point is the squad is worth what we’ve spent on it, and therefore should be performing to a higher level.

you’re trying to be clever but you can’t see the point….it’s like you’re saying well we bought Wright for £10M but sold Vik for £20M so that means Wright’s value is £-10M.

the point is we have added multi millions of pounds worth of players to the squad and they should be competing at the other end of the table.

the irony of this

 

[alfielloyd]

We are over reacting tbh.
Robin's is a good manager and has proven time and again he will get things right.
The problem is what happened behind the scenes to make the club get on the front foot and approach everything from a higher standpoint? To this end changes have taken place throughout the club and training ground to give the club the look more suited to a club of our size and history. Even down to everyone in club tracksuits. All of this is admirable and was needed.
So if you look the part, you then have to back it up.
The second phase was build on Robin's brilliant legacy to date and give him the squad to step up to another level. That partially came about last season but tailed away in the end with too much too soon pressure.
The close season was the main squad rebuild and we have secured good players. They need time and nurturing. You can clearly see the level some of these players have is an improvement on what we had.
So why are we getting such disaray and chaoctic performances that even Robin's seems mystified by?
I touched on this many weeks ago. The finger needs pointing at two areas that are crucial and have changed to the detrement of the football clubs ethos, thus directly affecting performances on the pitch with many players performing like Jeykll and hyde.
1st: he had some areas of direct authority spread between a team of backroom staff that he normally would have handle himself, daily with the likes of sidekick Adi Vivash. Having performances directors, and a whole array of positions handling everything in the hope Robin's was free to concentrate more on the playing side. Yes in theory but we are not Man City, and no pretence will acheive that. As Robin's has alluded to, he no longer has full control over scouting areas, and rather has suggested players brought to him. This I can imagine creates conflict, in so much a player is identified and a team of 'experts' want him, while Robin's may disagree but is under pressure to say yes.
2nd: The coaching staff changes. We have all mentioned the loss of Vivash and whatever the truth behind that sudden departure after 7 years or so with Robin's can't have been ideal. Hail the new team of coaches who's job has been made clear to get top performances from players. There are keeper coaches, defensive coaches, striker coaches etc etc. Seems like too many cooks in the kitchen all pulling in different directions. The confusion for the players must be terrible. This has lost Robin's ability to get his own ideas clear to the players. Yes he picks the side, but seems heavily influenced by the backroom 'team'. So far the coaching ability has shown us nothing of note, and I question if they are up to the job and it's time to recognise they are not? Robin's must grab back some authority he suceeded and bring a strong arm to the table at the next meeting with King. Changes must be made to suit Robin's going forward. If that is to get himself a distinct number 2 in the mold of Vivash, and slim down the array of coaches so the message is clear to the players , so be it. My fear is not that Robin's should go, but that Robin's might walk!

Definitely some valid points. But unless it was a misconduct/safeguarding issue it would have probably been helpful if the club had been open with supporters regarding the removal of Vivash. Last season we won 16 league games, Birmingham were relegated having won 13 games, the gulf to the bottom 6 and a relegation battle is not far away. My concern is increasingly Robins is making irrational decisions, he sort of acknowledged he was overthinking decisions in a recent interview. We can all agree he has dragged the club back to a point of creditability but three league wins in our last 17 league games is a concern.

 

[2024/25 League 1 Champs?]

the irony of this

solid response

 

[Flying Fokker]

This shit is exactly what we would be putting up with week in/week out if we ever got promoted.

That’s what I was thinking as well. We will have to be a very good team to even stay up in the Premier League. However, it’s not a lot to ask for us to be a top 8 side in The Champioship.

 

[Cally Fedora]

we’ve still spent it though haven’t we dickhead

net spend makes no difference, the point is the squad is worth what we’ve spent on it, and therefore should be performing to a higher level.

you’re trying to be clever but you can’t see the point….it’s like you’re saying well we bought Wright for £10M but sold Vik for £20M so that means Wright’s value is £-10M.

the point is we have added multi millions of pounds worth of players to the squad and they should be competing at the other end of the table.

Utter, incoherent bilge.

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

On track for relegation right now…

 

[wingy]

We've actually bettered our sponsorship deal as well you'd assume but still failing on the topshelf, time to sort it Doug.

 

[Otis]

This shit is exactly what we would be putting up with week in/week out if we ever got promoted.

Yup.

It would be Robins is king for taking us to the Premier League.

We would expect to immediately be relegated, but the minute we started losing every week, there would be calls for his head. Undoubtedly.

 

[procdoc]

Regardless of net spend and all that shit, we have paid a lot of money to reassemble the squad. In that time we have lost Fadz, Godden, Kelly and O’Hare who were a mixture of leaders and big characters. We have not replaced that aesthetic in the squad.

 

[2024/25 League 1 Champs?]

Utter, incoherent bilge.

are you describing 99% of your posts?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Doesn’t one point off 22 place put you in a relegation battle.

there is no ‘battle’, it’s October.

 

[Liquid Gold]

We spent £2m total on Hamer and Gyokeres and turned them into £45m worth of players.

We’ve spent that £45m on a bunch of players who look to have a combined value of about £8m.

Whoever is responsible for that needs to go.

 

[procdoc]

are you describing 99% of your posts?

Talks out of his arse that bloke