Sick Boy
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The same can be said for Wilson in recent games too. Dovin is an international goalkeeper who’s 10 years younger yet only played 40 games less.
Questions that I genuinely can't answer (7 Viewers)
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SkyBlueMatt
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Maybe it's time we need to start something like this.
covcity4life
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We have dinosaur fans who think playing out from back is stupid etc. footballs moved on and robins needs to move with it.
He is capable but question is how long is it gonna take him. Tbf he talks a good game so maybe the players are just dumb pussies
He is capable but question is how long is it gonna take him. Tbf he talks a good game so maybe the players are just dumb pussies
thekidfromstrettoncamp
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I posted 1 similar to this a couple of week ago,only I added what formation were we playing got plenty of replies but no one came up with an answer. I'm still none the wiser.I do think judging by what I see it's slow build up,we seem to leave the middle of the park(10yards either side the halfway line)vacant and start defending about 10 yards from the penalty area.IMO the teams we put out seem to be set up not to lose with the hope we might get lucky if the other team get over confident and commit too many men forward.
Come on I'm a dinosaur and entitled to my beliefs , and my view that football is like some socialist plot these days, I do hope the rest of society gets the protections footballers are afforded,all follow the Pep for now, it's time for someone to break the model and show excellence beats average!
clint van damme
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But you don't just rip up the old structures and force a new one on people. There should be a gradual evolution.
Look what happened to Liverpool when Souness went in there. Try to force everything at once and they ended up ceding dominance.
I keep saying this to people who go on about football moving on, plenty of clubs have coaching structures like the one we're trying to introduce but they still have assistant managers.
Why have we removed that role when it's something Robins has always had by his side? No one will answer but It doesn't make sense to me.
And accussing people of being dinosaurs is just a cheap get out for people who were wanking over this new set up and can't even contemplate it might be part of the problem, or a least the personnel that have been brought in to implement it.
It can only be deliberate and immediately put a target on his back!
thekidfromstrettoncamp
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I'm a dinosaur it's great playing out from the back but how many times have seen passes getting in double figures and end up back with the keeper who lumps it upfield.Many times the defender has the ball centrally takes the easy pass to the wingback when the same ball could be passed to a player further foward.Most times 10 yard seems the most we pass it.
Cally Fedora
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The modern way is far better of course. CB to CB. CB to RB. RB to CB. And suddenly then the tactical genius is revealed with either 1) Back to keeper to hoof it forward or 2) Cock it up and concede. There have been a lot of “cutting edge” developments in tactics but this current trend takes the biscuit. It’s utter madness.
Cally Fedora
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Correct. And we don’t. The amount of chances we hand to the opposition via this is alarming. And we’re not the only ones.
Brighton Sky Blue
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It only works when you have a big advantage in technical ability over the opposition, which is how Burnley and Lesta could do it in this league but most other attempts are unconvincing at best.
Pass and move has been the foundation of our more successful teams. What we have is pass side to side and stand still.
Nuskyblue
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Only 2 or 3 teams in this league have the players to play out from the back well without fucking it up. Same goes for the premier league (Arsenal now fuck about with it less and even City will mix it up when needed).
Whatever we are doing we need to do it faster, everything is slow. We should ban the CB from taking more than 3 touches, that would speed things up!
Brighton Sky Blue
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Really it shouldn’t be more than 2 touches. Watching the opposition last weekend, they were spraying it around in one or two touches to get up the pitch. Combine it with players making well timed runs into spaces their teammate knows they’ll occupy and you have a nice ‘pattern of play’.
Football doesn’t need to be complicated, in fact it often works better when it isn’t.
covcity4life
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Not at all re the last paragraph
I agree with you having no assistant is weird.
My dinosaur comment is soley aimed at fans who turn their nose up at playing out from the back
covcity4life
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Yeah we have to be better at it rather than abandon it and go long or play it super safe.
covcity4life
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It's clearly not the way it's supposed to be done
But if your kid falls of a bike would you say don't bother riding again or encourage them to learn how to do it properly?
Brighton Sky Blue
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What we’re doing isn’t playing out, it’s arseing around. This way of playing was meant for getting the ball forward in a quick series of passes, it wasn’t meant for players to take 4-5 touches then play their own keeper into trouble.
covcity4life
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See my riding bike analogy above
We shouldn't give up. We should do it properly
Brighton Sky Blue
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I agree we should do it properly. But very few teams can, and those who do normally have a big advantage over the opposition generally.
covcity4life
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I dunno about that
Brighton do it
Spurs do it
Southampton do it
Just 3 that come to mind. Yes soton not doing well in prem but did v well in championship.
Tbf if you look at prem how many teams don't play progressive football anymore?
Everton
Man U lol
Maybe forest but I ain't seen enough of them tbh
Yes having good players matters but it's something majority of clubs can aim for now as fans want to watch attacking football these days. It's become a customer product like never before
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Watch the compilations from last season of teams getting punished arseing around at the back in the top flight and come back to me
Cally Fedora
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Brighton do it!! Hilarious. Have a look at their recent game v Chelsea.
Cally Fedora
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Neither, I’d start by saying do you have a good enough bike.
covcity4life
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Watch the teams doing well in football playing basic brand of football and get back to me
covcity4life
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And that's the difference between how fans see it. Some want to aim high and miss and other want to aim low and hit
RegTheDonk
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Yes agree 100% hence the "maybe". Just assumption on my behalf based on the comment Mucca received on training, if it's indeed true. I've had experience of people who think they know it all in our world, let alone someone making his wage and status, but that's my bad for perhaps stereotyping and not knowing the bloke.
The CableGuy
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I think were attempting possession-based football but it's not working. Our build up play is too slow and gives opposition defences time to get back, track potential runners (when those runs are being made) and reset.
I'd rather go back to the counter-attacking style which has been so successful for us in the past. We do have some pace up front so let's use it.
I'd rather go back to the counter-attacking style which has been so successful for us in the past. We do have some pace up front so let's use it.
My take on this;
We aim to play possession based football in the games that suit it. Namely at home. Looking to get the ball to the wings and put crosses into the box.
In some games, like swansea and sheffield, we dont attack with enough pace and movement, then find it impossible to break through the opposition lines.
IMO the players are all disjointed in attack, BTA and EMC were consistently attempting to make runs through the centre of the defence hoping to have a pass played through to them, and it simply never came. We dont *seem* to have a midfielder capable of seeing and playing that killer pass, hate to bring him up as think its just an easy target but this is what Hamer was the best in the league at.
To be fair, on the keeper front, Wilson kept clean sheets in two cup games, before having a stormer against tottenham until the 87th minute onwards when he maybe could have got closer to atleast one of their goals
I think the Dovin stuff is more likely to be off the field than about whats happened on it. Best case maybe he got a cold and couldnt play, worst case ive seen others mention attitude
EMC i think will come good, think he’s taking time to settle into and understand the step up in the championship and how much less time he has.
The back four, but mainly the 2 centre backs is the biggest mystery to me. Bobby Thomas i thought was immense last year but seems his confidence is absolutely battered at the moment, Kitching i honestly cant figure out at all, Binks i think is like John Stones at the start of his Man City career, unbelievable on the ball and can play a very good pass, short or long, but much more sketchy actually defending. And Lati….yeah i really really dont know about him either. Should have recruited and i think the club would admit that if asked.
On the multi million pound strikers. This isnt a negative. This is a positive. Its strength in depth like we’ve been crying out for. We need to get all positions to this point.
Why cant they play twice in the week? I think they are mentally in the bin. It isnt a physical thing. So much about sport is about the top two inches and i think something isnt right in the dressing room and with the mindset right now
Cally Fedora
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I think you’re missing the most relevant point. The teams that are able to do it well have the best players. The teams with the best players do well.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Southampton are getting annihilated trying this way of playing in the top flight. Why?
covcity4life
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I think your not understanding that teams without best players can play that way too.
Also I don't agree out players are really bad
covcity4life
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Like Burnley last year they have a way of playing.
What's the alternative? Play like Luton?
No thanks
Brighton Sky Blue
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Be pragmatic and play for results.