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[Evo1883]

Because that winter period does a lot of heavy lifting on here.

By winter period do you mean the 5 months between november and April

 

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[Evo1883]

Agreed but Lawrence and Adi were also here when things were going well.

They were also here when we had slow starts

 

[SBT]

Arguably the best two days I've had following Coventry.

I would take that and midtable every season.

It was a once-in-a-generation thing that required an historic amount of luck to happen. It’s not a repeatable feat and we shouldn’t let it cloud our judgment of the people involved. That goes for Binks, Dasilva and Tavares etc as much as it does for Robins.

 

[Evo1883]

It is, but they weren't (mainly) first choice last season. Kitching, Bidwell, Eccles and Simms would of started last season.

My point is we appear to be playing too many of last seasons second 11.

That's not been all season though , bad performances and poor form have seen a variation of players starting , lampard currently not picking simms , kitching and bidwell too

 

[pusbccfc]

It was a once-in-a-generation thing that required an historic amount of luck to happen. It’s not a repeatable feat and we shouldn’t let it cloud our judgment of the people involved. That goes for Binks, Dasilva and Tavares etc as much as it does for Robins.

Fully agree.

 

[Evo1883]

It was a once-in-a-generation thing that required an historic amount of luck to happen. It’s not a repeatable feat and we shouldn’t let it cloud our judgment of the people involved. That goes for Binks, Dasilva and Tavares etc as much as it does for Robins.

Robins isn't judged based off his fa cup semi final , it's a part of several achievements of his at the club .

 

[SBT]

Robins isn't judged based off his fa cup semi final , it's a part of several achievements of his at the club .

I didn’t say he was judged solely by that - I certainly don’t, anyway. But it’s frequently cited on here as an example of this team supposedly being better than it currently looks. Personally I don’t think it counts for much at all.

Jay Dasilva and Luis Binks nearly dragged us into an FA Cup final after tearing Man Utd a new one, but guess what? They’re still shit.

 

[fatso]

That's not been all season though , bad performances and poor form have seen a variation of players starting , lampard currently not picking simms , kitching and bidwell too

I don't understand why Lamps doesn't pick Kitching, there must be something going on we arnt hearing about, he dropped Bidwell after 1 poor performance, but still picks Binks, Collins and Dasilva despite numerous poor games.
It just doesn't make any sense.

He plays Torp in midfield at the expense of Eccles and then moans about a lack of aggression??? Well no fucking shit Sherlock!

 

[Evo1883]

I didn’t say he was judged solely by that - I certainly don’t, anyway. But it’s frequently cited on here as an example of this team supposedly being better than it currently looks. Personally I don’t think it counts for much at all.

Jay Dasilva and Luis Binks nearly dragged us into an FA Cup final after tearing Man Utd a new one, but guess what? They’re still shit.

Ok you're right , before mark robins came back we had finished in the top 10 of any division 4 times In 47 years .

We just finished in the top 10 of our divisions 5 times in 7 years with 1 playoff final victory , a league 1 title and a chanpionship playoff final defeat .

We also so happened to almost produce the greatest fa cup semi final comeback of all time after producing one of our greatest fa cup victories in our history at molineux a few week earlier .

But absolutely , go off

(Haven't even included the checkatrade final win )

 

[Skyblueabo1111]

Granted. But he has no alternative for Van Ewijk. Crap though he’s been. His clearance for the third goal was one of a five year old.

Eccles is solid at right back

 

[PVA]

Eccles is solid at right back

I don't think he's ever played there, only RWB.

 

[Evo1883]

I don't understand why Lamps doesn't pick Kitching, there must be something going on we arnt hearing about, he dropped Bidwell after 1 poor performance, but still picks Binks, Collins and Dasilva despite numerous poor games.
It just doesn't make any sense.

He plays Torp in midfield at the expense of Eccles and then moans about a lack of aggression??? Well no fucking shit Sherlock!

At this point either his attitude is terrible or the club are avoiding an appearance fee over a period of time

 

[SBT]

Ok you're right , before mark robins came back we had finished in the top 10 of any division 4 times In 47 years .

We just finished in the top 10 of our divisions 5 times in 7 years with 1 playoff final victory , a league 1 title and a chanpionship playoff final defeat .

We also so happened to almost produce the greatest fa cup semi final comeback of all time after producing one of our greatest fa cup victories in our history at molineux a few week earlier .

But absolutely , go off

(Haven't even included the checkatrade final win )

Relax, I think Robins was great, because of all the league stuff. The cup stuff was just window dressing.

 

[fatso]

At this point either his attitude is terrible or the club are avoiding an appearance fee over a period of time

Maybe. That's the only logical explanation.

 

[Evo1883]

Relax, I think Robins was great, because of all the league stuff. The cup stuff was just window dressing.

It was an amazing experience and one that I'd absolutely love more often , must be amazing being a bigger club experiencing those things regular

 

[Chris1987]

Ok you're right , before mark robins came back we had finished in the top 10 of any division 4 times In 47 years .

We just finished in the top 10 of our divisions 5 times in 7 years with 1 playoff final victory , a league 1 title and a chanpionship playoff final defeat .

We also so happened to almost produce the greatest fa cup semi final comeback of all time after producing one of our greatest fa cup victories in our history at molineux a few week earlier .

Still can't get my head around the fact that you always credit these achievements solely to Robins - never any mention of Lawrence or Adi. The simple fact is with the exception of the Cup SF the rest of the time after this team of 3 split up performances and results were very poor.

 

[Skyblueabo1111]

I don't think he's ever played there, only RWB.

Well play five at the back...Bidwell, Thomas, Kitching, Lati and Eccles. Play 2 up front, as well, Simms and Basette, 3 in midfield.

 

[Evo1883]

Still can't get my head around the fact that you always credit these achievements solely to Robins - never any mention of Lawrence or Adi. The simple fact is with the exception of the Cup SF the rest of the time after this team of 3 split up performances and results were very poor.

The manager at any club gets the credit , when discussing the greatest managers of all time do you mention Mike phelan with alex ferguson ?

Every manager has assistants and coaches that help them , that's at every club it's called staff

He only had 14 games without adi , and last season we started just as poorly with adi

 

[JoeCCFCPUSB]

It's tough when you have talented players such as Sakamoto, Wright, Sheaf, Bassette, MVE, Simms, Bassette and EMC, but they are forced to play with league 1 level quality in Dasilva, Binks, Thomas, Collins, Kitching. They are league 1 talents there is no doubt.

The quality players either have to play a 10/10 performance or we lose by 2 or 3 goals, this becomes really fucking disheartening for the top players and as most humans, they switch off.

You have a group divided by ability, and unfortunately the poor players are all defenders and Collins.

It's not a good situation, we must cut our losses where Binks, Dasilva, Kitching, Collins and Thomas are concerned.

Until today people believed we had a 12 pointer on the cards, and this could potentially get us up in the play offs.

The reality of it, this group of defenders wouldn't ever be good enough to play in a Championship play off side, look at leicester, Ipswich and Southamptons squads they are miles better than ours and they are absolutely shit in the Premier League.

To be even within a sniff of the play off next season, all 4 centre, dasilva, Collins need to either be shipped out or never play for us again.
Not happening, so realistic expectations now are to try and stay in this division.

The worst group of defenders we have had in this division ever.

 

[Chris1987]

The manager at any club gets the credit , when discussing the greatest managers of all time do you mention Mike phelan with alex ferguson ?

Every manager has assistants and coaches that help them , that's at every club it's called staff

He only had 14 games without adi , and last season we started just as poorly with adi

That's why I included Lawrence , a point which you conveniently chose to ignore. That's when the rot defensively set in.
Do you mention Clough without Peter Taylor or Curtis without Sillet ?

 

[Evo1883]

That's why I included Lawrence , a point which you conveniently chose to ignore. That's when the rot defensively set in.
Do you mention Clough without Peter Taylor or Curtis without Sillet ?

I just don't agree with you mate , been there though ain't we.

Boxing on now PUSB

 

[Chris1987]

I just don't agree with you mate , been there though ain't we.

Boxing on now PUSB

We have been there but comparing the Lampard reign to the Robins one after these few games is ridiculous.

 

[Evo1883]

We have been there but comparing the Lampard reign to the Robins one after these few games is ridiculous.

I'm not comparing their Reigns

 

[Frostie]

We have been there but comparing the Lampard reign to the Robins one after these few games is ridiculous.

With our "elite tactician" & coaching team, you'd expect an immediate upturn in results & performances or at the very least significant signs of improvement, especially given the very favourable fixtures.

 

[Chris1987]

With our "elite tactician" & coaching team, you'd expect an immediate upturn in results & performances or at the very least significant signs of improvement, especially given the very favourable fixtures.

Even with the dire defence that's been inherited from a previous regime? You think that "significant signs of improvement " occur immediately? Good job it wasn't an era where Alex Ferguson could have been appointed

 

[blunted]

That's why I included Lawrence , a point which you conveniently chose to ignore. That's when the rot defensively set in.
Do you mention Clough without Peter Taylor or Curtis without Sillet ?

Lawrence was here for two seasons and was third in charge.
Clough still won cups and got to other finals and high positions in the league, although his best days were with Taylor.
Sillett was less good without Curtis who most people at the club at the time recognised was the main driving force of our success.
We were massively successful before Lawrence came, although I do not diminish his contribution which was brilliant.
According to King Robins and Adi fell out after the Telegraph article, and surely that is when it all went to pot.

 

[Hobo]

As with most things, football is simply not just black or white.

That was an abomination of a performance in the end today. We did however, start off incredibly well and looked like we could score at will.

We should have been at least two nil up. But it was an really terrible effort by Bassette.

Got that goal and we would have continued with the same swagger, I'm sure. Pompey heads would have dropped too. We made them look very ordinary. We could have easily won this game today. Such fine margins.

What the problem is, is that we have a soft underbelly and continue to make absolutely horrendous mistakes.

It's such a fine line. In the end though, we looked like relegation fodder, for sure. It was a million miles away from the way we started the game however.

We are too fragile and brittle and our belief can swiftly evaporate at times.

We showed what we could do in that first 10 mins. We looked a good side, albeit, against poor opposition.

There IS something there, but we have to cut out the ridiculous errors and that should be Collins and Dasilva gone, unfortunately.

Very poor keeping and very poor defending from JDS.

They HAVE to be replaced.

Some smart dealing in January and I am sure we will be fine.

That's trying to take nothing away from that most horrific effort in the end today.

How many goals come from balls in from JDS side?Teams are targeting him he is useless.

I think Binks is suffering because JDSs so useless.

Collins is and has always been inept in goal. An accident waiting to happen. It wouldn't suprise me if he wasn't the root of the fallout between Robins and Viveash. In fact a lot of Viveash's recommendations were garbage, more fails than successes.

 

[Frostie]

Even with the dire defence that's been inherited from a previous regime? You think that "significant signs of improvement " occur immediately? Good job it wasn't an era where Alex Ferguson could have been appointed

You said yourself that they weren't "dire" when Lawrence was here so, yeah... If we're led to believe that we now have "elite" coaching they should be able to show at least some sign of improvement rather than getting worse whilst playing against the worst teams in the division.

 

[EalingSB]

I don't understand why Lamps doesn't pick Kitching, there must be something going on we arnt hearing about, he dropped Bidwell after 1 poor performance, but still picks Binks, Collins and Dasilva despite numerous poor games.
It just doesn't make any sense.

He plays Torp in midfield at the expense of Eccles and then moans about a lack of aggression??? Well no fucking shit Sherlock!

Listening to Lampard’s interview on the phone-in on Friday night, it sounded as though Kitching was in contention for the Millwall game but got sick and couldn’t train which ruled him out. Clean sheet and he’s back to square one.

Agree that he needs to be given a run now.

 

[clint van damme]

I didn’t say he was judged solely by that - I certainly don’t, anyway. But it’s frequently cited on here as an example of this team supposedly being better than it currently looks. Personally I don’t think it counts for much at all.

Jay Dasilva and Luis Binks nearly dragged us into an FA Cup final after tearing Man Utd a new one, but guess what? They’re still shit.

I keep saying it, even if you, quite bizarrely given King demanded it, ignore the cup run we were in play off form for over 3 months.

You described that as a purple patch, that's a long purple patch.

So the league form showed what can be achieved with these players.

 

[SBT]

So the league form showed what can be achieved with these players.

Yes - a 9th place finish.

 

[clint van damme]

Yes - a 9th place finish.

Which is far better than where we are now.
But the majority of this squad also produced top 6 form for over a 3rd of a season.
You'd think a top 6 deck with elite level coaches should be able to replicate that and keep it going over a more sustained period so it will be disappointing if that doesn't happen.

 

[Otis]

Yes - a 9th place finish.

Because the players were exhausted and fatigued and the squad was too small.

 

[SBT]

Because the players were exhausted and fatigued and the squad was too small.

It’s a bigger squad than the one we currently have!

 

[Otis]

It’s a bigger squad than the one we currently have!

And?

We aren't even half way into the season yet and many are already saying that MVE looks tired, as an example.

Just because the squad was bigger last year, means nothing. It was clear as day that the squad was jaded and tired. And we did have the cup run too.

If we don't bring in some players in Jan, I can well see this squad suffering the same fate.

Already seems pretty clear that Eccles and Torp struggle to play 90 mins a lot of the time.