Evo1883
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By winter period do you mean the 5 months between november and April
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By winter period do you mean the 5 months between november and April
Evo1883
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They were also here when we had slow starts
It was a once-in-a-generation thing that required an historic amount of luck to happen. It’s not a repeatable feat and we shouldn’t let it cloud our judgment of the people involved. That goes for Binks, Dasilva and Tavares etc as much as it does for Robins.
Evo1883
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That's not been all season though , bad performances and poor form have seen a variation of players starting , lampard currently not picking simms , kitching and bidwell too
I didn’t say he was judged solely by that - I certainly don’t, anyway. But it’s frequently cited on here as an example of this team supposedly being better than it currently looks. Personally I don’t think it counts for much at all.
Jay Dasilva and Luis Binks nearly dragged us into an FA Cup final after tearing Man Utd a new one, but guess what? They’re still shit.
fatso
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I don't understand why Lamps doesn't pick Kitching, there must be something going on we arnt hearing about, he dropped Bidwell after 1 poor performance, but still picks Binks, Collins and Dasilva despite numerous poor games.
It just doesn't make any sense.
He plays Torp in midfield at the expense of Eccles and then moans about a lack of aggression??? Well no fucking shit Sherlock!
Evo1883
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Ok you're right , before mark robins came back we had finished in the top 10 of any division 4 times In 47 years .
We just finished in the top 10 of our divisions 5 times in 7 years with 1 playoff final victory , a league 1 title and a chanpionship playoff final defeat .
We also so happened to almost produce the greatest fa cup semi final comeback of all time after producing one of our greatest fa cup victories in our history at molineux a few week earlier .
But absolutely , go off
(Haven't even included the checkatrade final win )
Skyblueabo1111
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Eccles is solid at right back
I don't think he's ever played there, only RWB.
Evo1883
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At this point either his attitude is terrible or the club are avoiding an appearance fee over a period of time
Relax, I think Robins was great, because of all the league stuff. The cup stuff was just window dressing.
fatso
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Maybe. That's the only logical explanation.
Chris1987
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Still can't get my head around the fact that you always credit these achievements solely to Robins - never any mention of Lawrence or Adi. The simple fact is with the exception of the Cup SF the rest of the time after this team of 3 split up performances and results were very poor.
Skyblueabo1111
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Evo1883
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The manager at any club gets the credit , when discussing the greatest managers of all time do you mention Mike phelan with alex ferguson ?
Every manager has assistants and coaches that help them , that's at every club it's called staff
He only had 14 games without adi , and last season we started just as poorly with adi
JoeCCFCPUSB
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It's tough when you have talented players such as Sakamoto, Wright, Sheaf, Bassette, MVE, Simms, Bassette and EMC, but they are forced to play with league 1 level quality in Dasilva, Binks, Thomas, Collins, Kitching. They are league 1 talents there is no doubt.
The quality players either have to play a 10/10 performance or we lose by 2 or 3 goals, this becomes really fucking disheartening for the top players and as most humans, they switch off.
You have a group divided by ability, and unfortunately the poor players are all defenders and Collins.
It's not a good situation, we must cut our losses where Binks, Dasilva, Kitching, Collins and Thomas are concerned.
Until today people believed we had a 12 pointer on the cards, and this could potentially get us up in the play offs.
The reality of it, this group of defenders wouldn't ever be good enough to play in a Championship play off side, look at leicester, Ipswich and Southamptons squads they are miles better than ours and they are absolutely shit in the Premier League.
To be even within a sniff of the play off next season, all 4 centre, dasilva, Collins need to either be shipped out or never play for us again.
Not happening, so realistic expectations now are to try and stay in this division.
The worst group of defenders we have had in this division ever.
The quality players either have to play a 10/10 performance or we lose by 2 or 3 goals, this becomes really fucking disheartening for the top players and as most humans, they switch off.
You have a group divided by ability, and unfortunately the poor players are all defenders and Collins.
It's not a good situation, we must cut our losses where Binks, Dasilva, Kitching, Collins and Thomas are concerned.
Until today people believed we had a 12 pointer on the cards, and this could potentially get us up in the play offs.
The reality of it, this group of defenders wouldn't ever be good enough to play in a Championship play off side, look at leicester, Ipswich and Southamptons squads they are miles better than ours and they are absolutely shit in the Premier League.
To be even within a sniff of the play off next season, all 4 centre, dasilva, Collins need to either be shipped out or never play for us again.
Not happening, so realistic expectations now are to try and stay in this division.
The worst group of defenders we have had in this division ever.
Chris1987
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That's why I included Lawrence , a point which you conveniently chose to ignore. That's when the rot defensively set in.
Do you mention Clough without Peter Taylor or Curtis without Sillet ?
Evo1883
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Chris1987
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We have been there but comparing the Lampard reign to the Robins one after these few games is ridiculous.
Evo1883
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I'm not comparing their Reigns
Frostie
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With our "elite tactician" & coaching team, you'd expect an immediate upturn in results & performances or at the very least significant signs of improvement, especially given the very favourable fixtures.
Chris1987
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Even with the dire defence that's been inherited from a previous regime? You think that "significant signs of improvement " occur immediately? Good job it wasn't an era where Alex Ferguson could have been appointed
blunted
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Lawrence was here for two seasons and was third in charge.
Clough still won cups and got to other finals and high positions in the league, although his best days were with Taylor.
Sillett was less good without Curtis who most people at the club at the time recognised was the main driving force of our success.
We were massively successful before Lawrence came, although I do not diminish his contribution which was brilliant.
According to King Robins and Adi fell out after the Telegraph article, and surely that is when it all went to pot.
Hobo
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How many goals come from balls in from JDS side?Teams are targeting him he is useless.
I think Binks is suffering because JDSs so useless.
Collins is and has always been inept in goal. An accident waiting to happen. It wouldn't suprise me if he wasn't the root of the fallout between Robins and Viveash. In fact a lot of Viveash's recommendations were garbage, more fails than successes.
Frostie
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You said yourself that they weren't "dire" when Lawrence was here so, yeah... If we're led to believe that we now have "elite" coaching they should be able to show at least some sign of improvement rather than getting worse whilst playing against the worst teams in the division.
Listening to Lampard’s interview on the phone-in on Friday night, it sounded as though Kitching was in contention for the Millwall game but got sick and couldn’t train which ruled him out. Clean sheet and he’s back to square one.
Agree that he needs to be given a run now.