fernandopartridge
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And aren't we so much better off for it
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Mcbean
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they chose our Coventry factory to close 
dickheads
Grendel
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Redundancy laws in Germany and France aren’t that much different unless you’ve been in a job for years
Flying Fokker
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State papers reveal late Queen spoke of 'silly marching' in NI
Irish state papers reveal a private conversation between the late Queen and an ex-Irish ambassador.
www.bbc.co.uk
Brighton Sky Blue
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When I first saw Orange marches being mentioned on the TV I was about 7 and assumed it was literally orange men marching for equal rightsState papers reveal late Queen spoke of 'silly marching' in NI
Irish state papers reveal a private conversation between the late Queen and an ex-Irish ambassador.www.bbc.co.uk
shmmeee
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Never did you think you’d see the day one was President 🥹
Brighton Sky Blue
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He’s just a pretender compared to Ian Paisley
MalcSB
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With plenty of brass in his pocket,
MalcSB
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I wonder if he used crayons.
Sick Boy
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Great win on Boxing Day, wasn’t it?
shmmeee
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I imagine he was too busy tweeting about Indian tech workers to notice.
shmmeee
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I made it five seconds with that accent and him talking absolute tabloid nonsense. Do I win a prize?
Private school fees are a very good barometer of whether someone is worth listening to. If they think the sky is falling cos some poshos have to pay tax they are not serious commentators.
MalcSB
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He Is not really coming at it from the point of a few poshos having to pay tax - I would imagine most already pay shed loads. His accent is why I described him as Marmite. He says he didnt attend a private school, unlike some other barristers - Starmer for example.
He is approaching it from the position of incredulity that the government is seeking to take some sort of urgent action as a result of a policy they announced some time ago. If only they had done a proper impact assessment!
I think you are shooting the messenger here shmmeee. I would have hoped that a seasoned political observer like yourself would have given him longer than 5 seconds and actually listened to what he is saying rather than making a huge assumption.
At the end of the day, taxation on private school fees per se makes fuck all difference to me and mine UNTIL the local state schools are over full with posho‘s kids who have nowhere else to go. He describes parents trying to make arrangements with LAs and being fobbed off. A desperate situation in my view.
PS Presumably as soon as Starmer, Reeves, Rayner etc start talking about private school fees I should take the view that they aren’t worth listening to. I Can easily subscribe to that view.
My labour membership card arrived yesterday
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Brighton Sky Blue
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If we took state education seriously and gave it the funding and infrastructure our young people deserve we would not need private schools or be afraid of a few more children entering the state system.He Is not really coming at it from the point of a few poshos having to pay tax - I would imagine most already pay shed loads. His accent is why I described him as Marmite. He says he didnt attend a private school, unlike some other barristers - Starmer for example.
He is approaching it from the position of incredulity that the government is seeking to take some sort of urgent action as a result of a policy they announced some time ago. If only they had done a proper impact assessment!
I think you are shooting the messenger here shmmeee. I would have hoped that a seasoned political observer like yourself would have given him longer than 5 seconds and actually listened to what he is saying rather than making a huge assumption.
At the end of the day, taxation on private school fees per se makes fuck all difference to me and mine UNTIL the local state schools are over full with posho‘s kids who have nowhere else to go. He describes parents trying to make arrangements with LAs and being fobbed off. A desperate situation in my view.
PS Presumably as soon as Starmer, Reeves, Rayner etc start talking about private school fees I should take the view that they aren’t worth listening to. I Can easily subscribe to that view.
My labour membership card arrived yesterday
Finland has no private schools and some of the best education outcomes in the world.
chiefdave
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Iresspective of your thoughts on the policy why on earth would any parent have waited until now to deal with this?
If you've left it until the Christmas break to sort out where your kid is going to school in January then you have to take a big chunk of the blame.
MalcSB
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I think the point is that they haven’t necessarily left it, as you put it. It’s just as easy to argue that the government should have ensured everything was in place , or delayed implementation until next academic year. They have instead acted like the arseholes they are. Many parents presumably simply don’t know whether their kids schools will remain open, even if they can personally afford the additional costs.
Of course, it doesn’t matter to Starmer and his acolytes because working people don’t send children to privately funded schools. Unless their dad is a toolmaker.
Tossers.
shmmeee
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The people who go to private school are the wealthiest in society exercising their advantage. They’re being asked to pay the same tax your Nan does when she buys a Mars bar. Get a grip.
MalcSB
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Whilst I fundamentally agree, that is not the world we are living in, is it?
MalcSB
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My Nan doesn’t buy Mars Bars any more, she is dead.
You really aren’t getting the point are you. It’s not about the tax, it’s about not having prepared adequately for the potential consequences - to children’s entire lives - of an inadequately assessed and prepared policy. Incompetence in other words.
MalcSB
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Are they really? 100%? They are paying for it twice in reality and easing pressure on state education - up to now.
I wonder what we will think in years to come.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Is Finland not a real country?
MalcSB
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Yes it is. But it isn’t the UK, so what happens there is if no relevance to what is actually happening here, now.
And you know that’s what I meant.
MalcSB
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If you think I should get a grip, you should may be open your fucking mind. Totally indoctrinated / brainwashed.
Brighton Sky Blue
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So we can’t learn from the success of other countries?
MalcSB
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Yes, of course we can.
Is this learning from their success? It doesn’t seem like it. You have to consider where you actually are and how to build on it - foundations I guess in Starmerspeak - rather than just knee jerk demolition of what is already in place.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I have not suggested we shut all private schools overnight. Just argued for substantially more to go towards state education.
We complain about high immigration but won’t put the money or hard work in to create a home grown skilled workforce or to improve pay and conditions in social care, nursing, teaching etc.
MalcSB
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You may not have argued it, and it may not have been the Governments intention, but they clearly either didn’t do an adequate impact assessment, or any assessment, to ensure that the law of unintended consequences was taken in to account. Perhaps shows an extreme lack of intellectual flexibility and competence.
Really no brighter than Farage.
It is quite amusing comparing left wing bigotry with that of the right wing. Same hatred, different targets.
chiefdave
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Is there any data for how many private schools have closed down over the Christmas period without any notice to parents?
MalcSB
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I have no idea. It might be expected that some warnings would have been given, the government will be waiting for a good day to bury bad news.
Do you think it that unlikely that some will close and there is insufficient state capacity. All this hatred directed at a class war with kids being the collateral damage. If it was targeted at brown people you would all be fucking rabid.
shmmeee
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Brown people already pay their fair share of tax and where they don’t they should.
If the tax revenue needs raising, and seemingly it does, then the burden should fall on those with the broadest shoulders. This is a basic Labour principle. The fact the people complaining have generally been the wealthiest for me is a sign they’re doing exactly what they were elected to do. The alternative was raising tax on working people not asset holders and those buying luxury goods. No kid is harmed by going to a good state school instead of a private school. Most countries in the world do just fine without our weird privilege protection system. And again being asked to pay a bit of tax isn’t a ban, it’s just a bit of tax.
MalcSB
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I think you deliberately miss the point. I’m not talking about the payment of taxes, I’m talking about the lack of contingency planning around an entirely feasible consequence of a long planned change in policy. If This was aimed at Muslim schools you would be fucking furious, presumably there will be brown kids who will end up suffering In any event,
Russia has quite an effective privilege protection system, called open windows in high buildings.
So working people don’t send kids to private schools? Some do and their kids will suffer as much as the Uber rich. Indeed, ordinary kids in state schools currently will also suffer when class sizes increase significantly. Could all be ruinous to an entire generation. Be interesting to see how many 16 year olds actually do end up voting aLabour when the electorate is next rigged, hopefully will backfire enormously. But the ideaolgical class war is more important to you than anything else
Wealthier people already pay more tax. In this education field they are paying for their kids education twice, once for that not taken at state schools through general taxation and a second time through payment of fees to an establishment of their choice.
Utter, utter incompetence at senior governmental level.
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shmmeee
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Pointing to a tiny percentage of kids put through private school by edge case parents to justify what’s essentially just a pay to win privilege system doesn’t make it valid. If we were some third world country with corrupt officials you could pay for better treatment some working people could pay too, but it would massively favour the wealthy more. If its a choice between cutting provision at well resourced school that already over provision and doing it at a school in inner city birmingham or whereever then its a no brainer.
You keep talking about class warfare but youre the one who wants to take from the working class to preserve upper class privilege again and again.
MalcSB
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Again, you deliberately miss the point. It’s the lack of contingency planning, not necessarily the principle of the taxation.
Where do I mention taking from working class. I worked all my life, therefore I was working class. I was pretty well paid and have paid hundreds of thousands in tax and NI. Previously privately educated kids turning up at a state school will be taking from the working class. I simply don’t believe that you are so thick as not to realise that.
Labour are taking from the pockets of working people, all the increases in travel taxes for example. It’s hypocrisy that you are happy to go along with as long as Elton John gets his just desserts. I will keep my ears open for the sound of the timbrils and Madamme G’s swoosh followed by the cries of the crowds of old women knitting as they get spattered in freshly gushing arterial blood.