Sick Boy
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It would be the beginning of the end of him. It would be a different story though if missiles were actually launched by the USA rather than Ukraine.
USSR invades Ukraine. (6 Viewers)
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We haven't fired it - we have supplied weapons, as we have done throughout the war. Western weapons have killed thousands of Russian soldiers already.
British weapons are used all over the world by other countries, we aren't at war with each country on the end of them (thankfully!)
shmmeee
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With love mate. Are you serious? If you are. Don’t be. Russia have been threatening to nuke the UK for ages on domestic TV. They do it every week. They won’t because the second the attack NATO they’d be vaporised and Putin would be dead.
chiefdave
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well there's some people who believe he is very ill and on the way out anyway so not entirely sure its wise to be seen to be provoking him even if we do believe its all empty threats.
he hardly seem the most stable and rational person, not sure I want survival relying on some lunatic not thinking I'm on the way out so I'll take everyone else with me!
bigfatronssba
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Who’s operating them? It’s not very clear
bigfatronssba
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An attack doesn’t necessarily mean Nuclear.
And anyway, he launched an ICBM the other day. NATO/America would’ve detected its launch. They wouldn’t have known it was only carrying a conventional bomb, rather than a nuclear warhead for which it was designed.
The initial reaction was to do nothing
Technically it wasn't an ICBM, it was an Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile and Russia informed the US of the launch. And it wasn't even carrying a conventional bomb - it was basically carrying fireworks!
It was pure sabre rattling from Putin, again. It's kind of worked I guess as a lot of people seem convinced we're now on the brink of nuclear war, but we are no closer.
It was a very expensive $50m launch of something they apparently have a very low stock of just to show his audience at home and admirers around the world that he's a big strong tough man.
MalcSB
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They probably could work out where it was heading.
BackRoomRummermill
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Any conflict with Russia would around while before it became Nuclear - either way nothing will happen - China is pullling the strings and XI is not too happy with Putin
BackRoomRummermill
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Yes
"Russia's "meat-grinder" tactics, the ISW says, mean that Moscow is losing more than 50 soldiers for each square kilometre of captured territory."
Absolutely astonishing statistic. What a pointless waste of life. If only the people of Russia knew the reality of what is happening.
www.bbc.co.uk
Absolutely astonishing statistic. What a pointless waste of life. If only the people of Russia knew the reality of what is happening.
Russia's 'meat-grinder' tactics bring battlefield success - but at horrendous cost - BBC News
As 2024 draws to a close, Russian forces are continuing to push their Ukrainian opponents back.
www.bbc.co.uk
Grendel
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Interesting commentary on BBC news that Russia advancement is continuing
Ukraine view that Biden has been supplying enough arms to keep the war going but will not let them ever win - just keep death going (well I never)
Biden I didn’t realise last month was furious they wouldn’t enforce conscription of 18 year olds in Ukraine.
www.independent.co.uk
Ukraine view that Biden has been supplying enough arms to keep the war going but will not let them ever win - just keep death going (well I never)
Biden I didn’t realise last month was furious they wouldn’t enforce conscription of 18 year olds in Ukraine.
Ukraine urged to lower army conscription age in fight against Russia
Joe Biden is pushing Ukraine to lower the age to fight
www.independent.co.uk
eastwoodsdustman
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Brighton Sky Blue
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I’m sure if he did lend the materiel necessary for Ukraine to win you would be the first to criticise him for escalation. Don’t worry, Daddy Trump will be in soon to make Ukraine sign over land to Putin.Interesting commentary on BBC news that Russia advancement is continuing
Ukraine view that Biden has been supplying enough arms to keep the war going but will not let them ever win - just keep death going (well I never)
Biden I didn’t realise last month was furious they wouldn’t enforce conscription of 18 year olds in Ukraine.
Ukraine urged to lower army conscription age in fight against Russia
Joe Biden is pushing Ukraine to lower the age to fight
Grendel
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It will in the end save lives and the Biden administration was always focused on prolonging the war
Brighton Sky Blue
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Would you support admitting the rest of Ukraine into NATO in such a case?
Grendel
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No and what difference would it make anyway.
Brighton Sky Blue
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About the only thing that actually prevents Putin going back in to finish the job later.
Grendel
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Doubt it would and I doubt the US would want it
Brighton Sky Blue
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So why not just hand over all of Ukraine now and skip the formalities?
skybluetony176
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Saw a report the other day that Trumps Russia/Ukraines envoy has suggested that Trump’s roadmap to peace requires an immediate ceasefire, a continuation of arming Ukraine, never ending negotiations on occupied territories and Ukraine being allowed to join NATO in ten years. It sounds like Trump is looking to just kick the can down the road.
Sick Boy
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It’s inevitable that Russia will keep the occupied territories with some kind of agreement than an attempt to take more would result in Russia essentially declaring war on America.
skybluetony176
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What about the territory Ukraine now occupies in Russia? There’s going to have to be a reason to hand that back so an exchange of territory to some degree is more likely.
The other interesting thing Trumps envoy was apparently saying was that there would have to be a premium on Russian oil to go to a rebuild fund for Ukraine.
It really doesn’t sound like Trump has a solution either as it’s hard to envisage Putin agreeing to NATO membership or compensation, before you even get into a continuation of the West arming Ukraine.
Sorry but the suggestion that Putin would be happy with obtaining what is essentially a bombed out, desolate waste land as a win while achieving nothing of his stated aims in the first place seems unlikely. Read between the lines and Trump only seems interested pausing the problem while he completes his second term, he’s not really come up with a solution to the problem unless he has some secret plan he’s not told anyone about. It’s got all the hallmarks of Nixons plan to stop the Vietnam war.
So do the reparations from oil and energy or whatever bring an increase in cost to all of,I can see him being a fan of that?
skybluetony176
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I see Russia has already rejected Trump’s proposals for peace with Ukraine out of hand.
Flying Fokker
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Trump’s 24 hour solution is looking a bit like Putin’s 3 day SMO.
MalcSB
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Phew, dodged it then.
Grendel
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The Ukrainians want the war to end - it should have ended years ago
MalcSB
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What war? It’s a special military operation according to the aggressors which simply shouldn’t have started years ago.
This is day 1041 of the 3 day special military operation.