Dean Austin position untenable (13 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

Thought about and would have years ago but not now, I would be a terrible investor/owner and couldn’t be bothered with the day to day shit and fans saying keep investing you tight arse.

That’s why Overson style is best. All of the praise none of the pressure. Come and go as you please. Drop some cash on specific things if you feel like it. Get treated like a hero among the fans.

 

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[Adge]

Gold, Frankenstein and Grrrrr.
Somebody must get this one!.....

 

[Mild-Mannered Janitor]

The problem lies with us being spoilt with 2-3 genius players that don’t come along that often to a Championship team. With their sales, I thought we added greater depth that was missing but special players are just that, they transform teams and whilst I think a good squad now that can deal with injuries or suspensions, it’s not great and none of the potentials have stepped up to be better than we maybe hoped for and sadly, it’s missing that one who can lead or drag us up the league.

picking out previous recruits by Austin comparing them to predecessors is pointless, previous ones appointed Kasteneer and Jobello along with an asthmatic German, under Robins we signed and no doubt, under Lampard, we will continue to sign some shockers, not sure what’s different now other than our expectations and money

 

[fernandopartridge]

Exactly. The players were not the choice of Robins.

Are you happy with the players brought in?

Robins sets the criteria for choosing the players and had the final say over them signing. Robins never expressed any view at all that he didn't want any of the players signed, did he?

 

[fernandopartridge]

The problem lies with us being spoilt with 2-3 genius players that don’t come along that often to a Championship team. With their sales, I thought we added greater depth that was missing but special players are just that, they transform teams and whilst I think a good squad now that can deal with injuries or suspensions, it’s not great and none of the potentials have stepped up to be better than we maybe hoped for and sadly, it’s missing that one who can lead or drag us up the league.

picking out previous recruits by Austin comparing them to predecessors is pointless, previous ones appointed Kasteneer and Jobello along with an asthmatic German, under Robins we signed and no doubt, under Lampard, we will continue to sign some shockers, not sure what’s different now other than our expectations and money

That's similar to my question earlier? The recruitment is being viewed in the context of signing those players, which was an exceptional event. Is it really that bad?

It's been shown so many times on here that Robins had final say on players. Don't choose to ignore that. It's not about blame, just don't try and rewrite history.

I'm not happy with the performance of the squad this season, whoever signed them or chose them. I do think most are better than results are showing.

Not like that poster to create an alternative reality.

 

[shmmeee]

Not like that poster to create an alternative reality.

Funny you chose the post where mmttww was inventing his own reality there.

 

[Nick]

Robins sets the criteria for choosing the players and had the final say over them signing. Robins never expressed any view at all that he didn't want any of the players signed, did he?

If anything it seems like he personally wanted a couple of them.

 

[Grendel]

If anything it seems like he personally wanted a couple of them.

He certainly wanted Dasilva. Clearly palmer. It seems BTA as well and Simms.

 

[Nick]

He certainly wanted Dasilva. Clearly palmer. It seems BTA as well and Simms.

The loanee from man city and maybe kitching I think

 

[Frostie]

He certainly wanted Dasilva. Clearly palmer. It seems BTA as well and Simms.

Gyokeres.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Robins did set out for specific players. Confirmed he demanded Gyok back at the club through Adi who stated he wasn’t keen.

Personally I think you do Robins a disservice to imply he lost all control. He would have had a say and would have had targets he wanted.

 

[mmttww]

Funny you chose the post where mmttww was inventing his own reality there.

"But this is different now because it’s set up in a different way and it’s how I wanted it to be."

Taken from the same article you quoted. Robins was working in the way he wanted, with someone he wanted to work with. He and Austin are on the block for where we are, for better or worse.

 

[shmmeee]

"But this is different now because it’s set up in a different way and it’s how I wanted it to be."

Taken from the same article you quoted. Robins was working in the way he wanted, with someone he wanted to work with. He and Austin are on the block for where we are, for better or worse.

OK. It that’s a different question to the one about who has a final say on transfers. Which is what this thread is about.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He certainly wanted Dasilva. Clearly palmer. It seems BTA as well and Simms.

Viveash will have argued for Palmer and Dasilva.

 

[shmmeee]

Viveash will have argued for Palmer and Dasilva.

Palmer was signed when we were skint as fuck. He was the last Sisu signing I think.

 

[JSL]

Viveash will have argued for Palmer and Dasilva.

That would be a very good reason for Robins and him to fall out. Add Collins into it and it becomes even more believable

 

[Jamesimus]

Gyokeres.

Yeah it’s weird that one wasn’t mentioned

 

[shmmeee]

Gyokeres.

Too Scandinavian for G to have an issue with.

 

[Cally Fedora]

The issue isn’t really who has the last say. The issue is that we are operating in a rigid wage structure. You can identify as many players as you want but the crunch comes when you only have a certain top offer. You get the likes of Stamenic going elsewhere. You obviously have to find players who will accept less which in general means they aren’t as good. That’s not really the fault of the scout or the manager

 

[SAJ]

That is the most frustrating part that we pissed so much money up the wall but there were players available on a free such as Browne, McCallum and Tyrese Campbell.

Our summer recruitment compared to the likes of Sheff Utd is chalk and cheese and I even remember getting frustrated we wouldn’t spend a couple of mil on the likes of Cooper or Burrows but we’d be happy to spend it on dross.

So those 3 were that wonderful signings that between them they have played less minutes this season than Sheaf has done on his own.

 

[clint van damme]

The issue isn’t really who has the last say. The issue is that we are operating in a rigid wage structure. You can identify as many players as you want but the crunch comes when you only have a certain top offer. You get the likes of Stamenic going elsewhere. You obviously have to find players who will accept less which in general means they aren’t as good. That’s not really the fault of the scout or the manager

And we've got ourselves in trouble in the past by busting wage structures so I'm happy for that to be something we have to live with.

 

[shmmeee]

The issue isn’t really who has the last say. The issue is that we are operating in a rigid wage structure. You can identify as many players as you want but the crunch comes when you only have a certain top offer. You get the likes of Stamenic going elsewhere. You obviously have to find players who will accept less which in general means they aren’t as good. That’s not really the fault of the scout or the manager

I agree with this. Which is why going all kid in a candy shop with breaking transfer records wasn’t wise. If we weren’t going to add to the wage bill we needed to be far smarter in our targets like we were when we were skint.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Robins if you could I’d be grateful

 

[shmmeee]

Robins if you could I’d be grateful
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Wait, you can just sack your head of recruitment? Has anyone told Doug?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I agree Austin should go for his role in this, but the strategy for building a squad goes beyond just him. Surely MR, King and others didn’t sit down and decide not to have a blend of youth and experience?

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

I agree Austin should go for his role in this, but the strategy for building a squad goes beyond just him. Surely MR, King and others didn’t sit down and decide not to have a blend of youth and experience?

Yeah I agree I’m just being a twat, for me responsibility is hard to know as we have no idea how it works as such would blame Mark, Doug and Dean.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

Wait, you can just sack your head of recruitment? Has anyone told Doug?

Mark Robins is on the phone to Dean Austin as we speak.

 

[chiefdave]

Robins if you could I’d be grateful
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Foregone conclusion that one surely. If they're best mates as many on here will have you believe and Austin only has a job because of Robins then he will follow him Stoke as part of his team.

Might take a couple of coaches as well, which is hardly unusual, which will enable us to freshen things up without Kings having to fire anyone else.

Not to self: check dates on things

 

[shmmeee]

I get that players and even managers have weird contracts that mean they can’t be sacked, but surely the other staff are just normal staff we can give notice to?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah I agree I’m just being a twat, for me responsibility is hard to know as we have no idea how it works as such would blame Mark, Doug and Dean.

Austin’s role is to identify targets based on what others have said they’re after. He wouldn’t have much say over how the squad should be composed, which would surely be more Robins/King.

Would explain how we have a ‘deck’ that’s technically skilled (Barn-Door Asante excepted) but mentally spineless.

 

[shmmeee]

I think King is responsible for the lack of loans an experience just based on his comments at the forum and how opinionated he is on the squad.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think King is responsible for the lack of loans an experience just based on his comments at the forum and how opinionated he is on the squad.

He thinks central midfield is a strength in this ‘deck’. Sums his opinions up.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

I think King is responsible for the lack of loans an experience just based on his comments at the forum and how opinionated he is on the squad.

1000%, seems it's Kings fault we are also short of quality in central midfield.

Will be interesting if he listens to Lampard when he tells him the same problems with the squad that Robins had identified.

 

[Captain Dart]

Robins if you could I’d be grateful
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Is Badlan going there then.

 

[SBT]

Robins so incapable of working with a Head of Recruitment that Stoke’s is out the door within a week of his arrival, wonderful stuff.