Do you want to discuss boring politics? (49 Viewers)

[Nick]

Amazing that Nick has more sympathy for those poor unfortunate parents who now have to pay VAT on school fees than on parents who can barely afford to feed their kids

Didn't say I had sympathy, I said that they will sort it one way or another

I am suggesting that if people can't afford to feed their kids then they need to re-assess their finances.

 

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[SBT]

Maybe it's just me that if my finances meant I struggled to feed my daughter I'd be doing everything possible within my power to sort it rather than whinging about somebody else not doing it for me.

What would you do if your son was at home, crying all alone on the bedroom floor 'cos he's hungry, and the only way to feed him is to, sleep with a man for a little bit of money

 

[SBT]

Actually, don't answer that, the answer is clearly: more overnight oats

 

[PVA]

Overnight oats are delicious tbf.

 

[chiefdave]

Giving all kids whether they need it or not, a substandard breakfast, not so good

I guess the question would become how do you operate a system based on need, is the cost and hassle of doing that the reason a 'feed every kid' system is in place.

Would it be down to the parents to decide, or the teachers, or the kids themselves? If its parents what happens if they don't apply but the kid is hungry? If its the teachers what happens if the parents object? If its the kids what happens if they won't ask because a stigma becomes attached to it?

Feeding every kid seems the simple solution. The question would be how much more it costs than feeding only those that need it and if there's even a practical solution that doesn't involve feeding every kid.

But as you say having seen what patients in hospital get, or kids paid for school lunches, not holding out huge hope for this but you've got to do something.

 

[Nick]

What would you do if your son was at home, crying all alone on the bedroom floor 'cos he's hungry, and the only way to feed him is to, sleep with a man for a little bit of money

That's no excuse to be livin' all crazy

 

[chiefdave]

Overnight oats are delicious tbf.

wtf are overnight oats anyway. is it an influencers word for porridge?

 

[chiefdave]

give all kids avocado on sourdough and watch social media explode

 

[Nick]

wtf are overnight oats anyway. is it an influencers word for porridge?

Pretty much, you soak them overnight rather than cook and then add fruit or nuts or whatever. Takes 5 minutes to make a weeks worth and you just get them out the fridge in the morning and eat them. Job done.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Amazing that Nick has more sympathy for those poor unfortunate parents who now have to pay VAT on school fees than on parents who can barely afford to feed their kids

re-evaluate their choices surely?

 

[Nick]

re-evaluate their choices surely?

which is exactly what I said...

 

[Grendel]

What would you do if your son was at home, crying all alone on the bedroom floor 'cos he's hungry, and the only way to feed him is to, sleep with a man for a little bit of money

In that case the child should I hope be removed from a clearly unfit parent

 

[SBT]

In that case the child should I hope be removed from a clearly unfit parent

But his daddy's gone - somewhere smoking rock now, in and out of lockdown, I ain't got a job now

 

[MalcSB]

I don't think anyone's arguing it's a core responsibility, it's just a good investment.

Not for those already having breakfast at home. Posters bemoaning kids buying energy drinks and crisps on the way to school. Is a cold dry bagel THAT much better? Maybe parents could contribute the cost of said junk food toward the provision of a decent school breakfast? They would be no more out of pocket (the wallets of the working man protected without picking the pockets of pensioners) and they would have the warm glow of fulfilling their parental responsibilities .

OK and when they don’t?

“should” is a pretty useless word in policy making. You have to deal with reality. And most people can’t afford a childminder five mornings a week.

should is possibly the crapiest word in the English language. Must is far preferable. I think I used could, a policy would be far more tightly written than a suggestion by a political minority member of a football forum.

When they don’t, fine them, in the same way they can be fined for taking their kids out of school to go on a holiday.

 

[shmmeee]

Not for those already having breakfast at home. Posters bemoaning kids buying energy drinks and crisps on the way to school. Is a cold dry bagel THAT much better? Maybe parents could contribute the cost of said junk food toward the provision of a decent school breakfast? They would be no more out of pocket (the wallets of the working man protected without picking the pockets of pensioners) and they would have the warm glow of fulfilling their parental responsibilities .

should is possibly the crapiest word in the English language. Must is far preferable. I think I used could, a policy would be far more tightly written than a suggestion by a political minority member of a football forum.

When they don’t, fine them, in the same way they can be fined for taking their kids out of school to go on a holiday.

Maybe we should fine people who fail to plan for their retirement too? After all they’ve had a lot longer to prepare than parents usually get

 

[MalcSB]

Not for those already having breakfast at home. Posters bemoaning kids buying energy drinks and crisps on the way to school. Is a cold dry bagel THAT much better? Maybe parents could contribute the cost of said junk food toward the provision of a decent school breakfast? They would be no more out of pocket (the wallets of the working man protected without picking the pockets of pensioners) and they would have the warm glow of fulfilling their parental responsibilities .

should is possibly the crapiest word in the English language. Must is far preferable. I think I used could, a policy would be far more tightly written than a suggestion by a political minority member of a football forum.

When they don’t, fine them, in the same way they can be fined for taking their kids out of school to go on a holiday.

I thought free childcare was available these days.

 

[shmmeee]

I thought free childcare was available these days.

Only pre school age

 

[MalcSB]

Maybe we should fine people who fail to plan for their retirement too? After all they’ve had a lot longer to prepare than parents usually get

WTF has that got anything to do with it?
Most people had planned for their retirement, only to have the goal posts moved by various governments. Any Tory policy not reversed by subsequent Labour government so Labour not entirely innocents.

 

[MalcSB]

Only pre school age

OK, I don’t have any of them.

 

[shmmeee]

WTF has that got anything to do with it?
Most people have planned for their retirement, only to have the goal posts moved by various governments.

Whereas working age benefits never change?

 

[MalcSB]

Whereas working age benefits never change?

They do and sometimes for the better. Working age people can occasionally even get work. Not easy to be a hod carrier at 68.

You were implying a lack of planning for some pensioners. I was pointing out that most had planned but the goal posts had moved. Are you suggesting that people receiving working age benefits had planned to live on those? Planned to be unemployed, or sick, or whatever else they are claiming for?

If the answer was in the affirmative, wouldn’t that be suggestive of something a bit iffy?

 

[shmmeee]

They do and sometimes for the better. Working age people can occasionally even get work. Not easy to be a hod carrier at 68.

Not often recently and they also have housing costs generally that recently went up 50% in some cases.

Just give the kids a fucking sandwich. It’s £600m a year. Basically a top four clubs transfer kitty.

 

[MalcSB]

Not often recently and they also have housing costs generally that recently went up 50% in some cases.

Just give the kids a fucking sandwich. It’s £600m a year. Basically a top four clubs transfer kitty.

Tax the top four clubs and Amazon more then.

 

[MalcSB]

I guess the question would become how do you operate a system based on need, is the cost and hassle of doing that the reason a 'feed every kid' system is in place.

Would it be down to the parents to decide, or the teachers, or the kids themselves? If its parents what happens if they don't apply but the kid is hungry? If its the teachers what happens if the parents object? If its the kids what happens if they won't ask because a stigma becomes attached to it?

Feeding every kid seems the simple solution. The question would be how much more it costs than feeding only those that need it and if there's even a practical solution that doesn't involve feeding every kid.

But as you say having seen what patients in hospital get, or kids paid for school lunches, not holding out huge hope for this but you've got to do something.

What happens if your child becomes morbidly obese after a full English at home followed by being force fed nutritionally dubious shit at school? Other than ozempic?

 

[wingy]

Why is it tax payers responsibility to provide nutrition for children just because parents cannot be bothered

I guess there's a perceived underclass that come along in the morning hungry or thirsty,Milk used to do the trick for millions of kids, now it's more likely to be something harmful?

 

[wingy]

Overnight oats are delicious tbf.

Unsweetened thought or they'll be subject to tax,we used to have a big pot on the go and sprinkled with salt, delicious!

 

[Nick]

Unsweetened thought or they'll be subject to tax,we used to have a big pot on the go and sprinkled with salt, delicious!

Porridge with salt? Not tried it but sounds random

 

[MalcSB]

I guess there's a perceived underclass that come along in the morning hungry or thirsty,Milk used to do the trick for millions of kids, now it's more likely to be something harmful?

Is it about a perceived underclass? Or a “nanny state knows best“ approach. Will be interesting when it all goes horribly wrong and some children have suffered harm how Starmer will wriggle and say that he won’t be lectured to by the likes of us.

It has just occurred to me that, because he is such a poor speaker with no apparent warmth or emotional intelligence, I can’t even refer to him as Sir Keir Smarmer no matter how much I want to.

 

[wingy]

Porridge with salt? Not tried it but sounds random

It's delicious tbf,gets round the proposed tax as well.
The point really is that this a the basic requirement of parenthood,why would we promote a bagel for FFS.

 

[MalcSB]

Porridge with salt? Not tried it but sounds random

It’s Scottish. Not at all random.

 

[MalcSB]

Unsweetened thought or they'll be subject to tax,we used to have a big pot on the go and sprinkled with salt, delicious!

Why would something provided free be subject to tax?

 

[wingy]

Is it about a perceived underclass? Or a “nanny state knows best“ approach. Will be interesting when it all goes horribly wrong and some children have suffered harm how Starmer will wriggle and say that he won’t be lectured to by the likes of us.

It has just occurred to me that, because he is such a poor speaker with no apparent warmth or emotional intelligence, I can’t even refer to him as Sir Keir Smarmer no matter how much I want to.

Kid Harmer other point is that Thatcher really took more away than just Milk which even I missed as I'm sure you would have, then we get sure start with the last lab govt and the Tories talking of doing similar at the end of term

Death on the other hand has grown into a monster industry it seems from my memories , sophisticated drawn and expensive!

 

[Grendel]

But his daddy's gone - somewhere smoking rock now, in and out of lockdown, I ain't got a job now

That is not me though

 

[Grendel]

Not often recently and they also have housing costs generally that recently went up 50% in some cases.

Just give the kids a fucking sandwich. It’s £600m a year. Basically a top four clubs transfer kitty.

The sandwich would have to meet dietry, ethical and religious requirements Ms Antionette and would create more waste than benefit

 

[wingy]

Why would something provided free be subject to tax?

Good point!