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MalcSB

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I think that’s a huge conjecture and a massive conspiracy leap.

The evidence is that Putin wants the war to stop whilst at the same time save face.

Biden / Burisma / Blackrock are the ones that need scrutiny. Luckily, Biden pardoned everyone and their dog despite “nothing wrong”.

Ok mate.
It is indeed conjecture. Whether huge or not is a matter of opinion. Sometimes/ often past behaviour can provide clues, and we know that Putin accused the Jewish Zelenskyy of being a Nazi.

I wasn’t making reference to the Special Military Operation in Ukraine in the original post.
 

shmmeee

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Love the right. Spend all their time inventing conspiracy theories about the left and how they’re terrible and that’s why they wouldn’t vote for them. Then when the right actually do those things they go “so what the left did them” 🤣
 

The Philosopher

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It is indeed conjecture. Whether huge or not is a matter of opinion. Sometimes/ often past behaviour can provide clues, and we know that Putin accused the Jewish Zelenskyy of being a Nazi.

I wasn’t making reference to the Special Military Operation in Ukraine in the original post.
Jews can be Nazis. Yep. Strange things come up in historical research. Last general of the Lufwaffe? Wilberg. Jewish. Perhaps he was behind bombing our City. Right hand man of British “Nazi” Mosley? Kid Lewis, Jewish champion boxer. Were they coerced? Unclear.

Anyway, even mentioning these things on here will probably mean I get called a Nazi apologist by the liberal headbangers on here.

 

shmmeee

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Jews can be Nazis. Yep. Strange things come up in historical research. Last general of the Lufwaffe? Wilberg. Jewish. Perhaps he was behind bombing our City. Right hand man of British “Nazi” Mosley? Kid Lewis, Jewish champion boxer. Were they coerced? Unclear.

Anyway, even mentioning these things on here will probably mean I get called a Nazi apologist by the liberal headbangers on here.


Are we pretending Oswald Mosley, founder of the British Union of Fascists wasn’t a fascist now?
 

MalcSB

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Politicians do that, there are plenty of clips of Starmer pledging support for WASPI women and saying the Tories are going to remove the Pensioner's winter fuel allowance for support then what does he do when in office, promptly removes the winter fuel payment and rejects any compensation for WASPI women. All politicians are liars and hypocrites.
All fine with @shmmeee

I think he said that the Waspi issue was the worst / least deserving political issue ever. Doesn’t seem to understand that his lord and master, Starmer, yet again showed himself to be a two faced lying shit in both issues.
 

The Philosopher

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Are we pretending Oswald Mosley, founder of the British Union of Fascists wasn’t a fascist now?
Where did I say that?

He was a fascist, of course. Are fascists Nazis?

Research and a capable mind will tell you the difference.

Yelling “you is Hitler ‘cos I dunt agree with ya” is the go to of the feeble minded.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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All fine with @shmmeee

I think he said that the Waspi issue was the worst / least deserving political issue ever. Doesn’t seem to understand that his lord and master, Starmer, yet again showed himself to be a two faced lying shit in both issues.
Whatever you think of Starmer, he wouldn't try to prevent the transfer of power if he lost an election.
 

Captain Dart

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All fine with @shmmeee

I think he said that the Waspi issue was the worst / least deserving political issue ever. Doesn’t seem to understand that his lord and master, Starmer, yet again showed himself to be a two faced lying shit in both issues.
Yep, I said nothing about the virtue of either cause, that guy thinks he can read minds but spoiler, he can't.
 

shmmeee

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All fine with @shmmeee

I think he said that the Waspi issue was the worst / least deserving political issue ever. Doesn’t seem to understand that his lord and master, Starmer, yet again showed himself to be a two faced lying shit in both issues.

I stand by it. Ridiculous request. And there was nothing promised in the manifesto because of the ridiculous cost.
 

robbiekeane

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To be fair if you live elsewhere in the world, you're presented with the current president and the people who attend his events as representative of America.
Yes but it takes 10 seconds to learn that 48% of people didn’t vote for the current president

Also to learn that 5 of the worlds top 10 universities are in the U.S. and more nobel prize winners than anywhere else

don’t get me wrong there’s a whole heap of shit wrong with this place but “americans R stupid” is just lazy and factually inaccurate
 

MalcSB

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I stand by it. Ridiculous request. And there was nothing promised in the manifesto because of the ridiculous cost.
There was nothing in the manifesto about winter fuel allowance.. Or raising employers NI. Or farmers IHT.

Manifesto said fiscal rules are non negotiable, and then changed the rules at the first opportunity.

The point, that you conveniently ignore every time, is that Starmer has consistently said one thing before the election and acted in a completely opposite way since. Shock horror, politicians can’t be trusted! However, he was trying to suggest that he could be trusted - a different breed of politician. An honest and honourable politician. Sincere.

That bridge is well and truly burnt.
 

shmmeee

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There was nothing in the manifesto about winter fuel allowance.. Or raising employers NI. Or farmers IHT.

Manifesto said fiscal rules are non negotiable, and then changed the rules at the first opportunity.

The point, that you conveniently ignore every time, is that Starmer has consistently said one thing before the election and acted in a completely opposite way since. Shock horror, politicians can’t be trusted! However, he was trying to suggest that he could be trusted - a different breed of politician. An honest and honourable politician. Sincere.

That bridge is well and truly burnt.

Look we all know this is about winter fuel allowance. There was less money than they thought so they had to make decisions. It’s as simple as that. You’re being childish.
 

shmmeee

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Bad decision though as we’ve said

Any decision would have been. Taking a small amount from the wealthiest demographic has been their MO throughout. Pensioners are no worse off when the pension increases are accounted for. It’s not the nicest decision to take but it’s rather that than cut benefits elsewhere tbh.

Pensioners are just used to getting everything and never having to lose anything like everyone else has to. But there’s no way in reality you can justify giving everyone regardless of income free cash.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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Any decision would have been. Taking a small amount from the wealthiest demographic has been their MO throughout. Pensioners are no worse off when the pension increases are accounted for. It’s not the nicest decision to take but it’s rather that than cut benefits elsewhere tbh.

Pensioners are just used to getting everything and never having to lose anything like everyone else has to. But there’s no way in reality you can justify giving everyone regardless of income free cash.
Was checking my pension and had no idea I could get tax free lump sum up to £268k
One of my options obviously wouldn’t as intend to live for a few years
 

shmmeee

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Was checking my pension and had no idea I could get tax free lump sum up to £268k
One of my options obviously wouldn’t as intend to live for a few years

Literally every pension I’ve met IRL who has lost WFA has admitted they don’t need it and just use it for presents or other frivolities. That’s not what government benefits are for.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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Literally every pension I’ve met IRL who has lost WFA has admitted they don’t need it and just use it for presents or other frivolities. That’s not what government benefits are for.
I agree
It was the low figure for pension credit that annoys me and is a backward social justice thing
It may be you and me only know the more well off pensioners
 

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