Championship thread 24/25! (13 Viewers)

[torchomatic]

People slate Simms yet what we've paid for him as a bargain compared with Cannon

He's a decent Championship striker, but that's it. He won't be any good in the PL. Leicester must be laughing all the way to the bank getting a club to fork out that much for him.

 

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[GaryJones]

Al Hamadi gone to Stoke for the season - good signing for Robins.
Hull winning tonight has put them (Stoke) right in it!!!

 

[GaryJones]

It might be a “difficult window” but teams are still making some good signings!!
Except yours truly of course - over to you DK

 

[Gint11]

Sheff Utd have made good signings and just been pumped at home to Hull

 

[skybluecam]

I've seen him play a fair few times tbh , younger than Simms, better goal per minute at championship level , full Irish international (England wanted him to stay eligible for us )

What am I missing that's funny ?

Do I have to believe simms is better because he plays for us ?

If you take off pens which Simms doesn't take their ratios are pretty much the same.

He's also 22, not a teenager.

His career thus far is actually pretty similar to Simms at the same age stats wise, a few decent but not outstanding loans. Yet we paid £3.5m for Simms but apparently Cannon is worth £10m.

I've never said Simms was better, just that Cannon isn't worth that.

 

[Evo1883]

Sheff Utd have made good signings and just been pumped at home to Hull

That's football ,.all teams have a bad day or 2

 

[Evo1883]

If you take off pens which Simms doesn't take their ratios are pretty much the same.

He's also 22, not a teenager.

His career thus far is actually pretty similar to Simms at the same age stats wise, a few decent but not outstanding loans. Yet we paid £3.5m for Simms but apparently Cannon is worth £10m.

I've never said Simms was better, just that Cannon isn't worth that.

That's fair , but you also have to consider the quality of teams in for cannon and it's for his finishing ability isn't it ?
Sheffield united and Sunderland were both prepared to spend 10 mill plus on cannon (one being paid upon promotion ) because they clearly see that he's a goalscorer

He's 2 years younger than Simms and has played less than 70 games as a pro scoring almost 30 goals .

It's not hard to see why teams are prepared to pay for him.

 

[GaryJones]

Sheff Utd have made good signings and just been pumped at home to Hull

Hull have made good signings!!!

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Cannon is arguably better than Simms but if you have £10 million to spend do you want

Tom Cannon

Or

Ellis Simms +£6.5 million to spend

It's not really close for me, I would take the second option.

 

[Evo1883]

Cannon is arguably better than Simms but if you have £10 million to spend do you want

Tom Cannon

Or

Ellis Simms +£6.5 million to spend

It's not really close for me, I would take the second option.

That's assuming simms is still worth 3.5

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That's football ,.all teams have a bad day or 2

Think it's mostly because Wilder is clueless without Hamer to bail him out most weeks

 

[skybluecam]

That's fair , but you also have to consider the quality of teams in for cannon and it's for his finishing ability isn't it ?
Sheffield united and Sunderland were both prepared to spend 10 mill plus on cannon (one being paid upon promotion ) because they clearly see that he's a goalscorer

He's 2 years younger than Simms and has played less than 70 games as a pro scoring almost 30 goals .

It's not hard to see why teams are prepared to pay for him.

I think it is.

His stats this season vs other championship forwards are actually very very average, especially looking at open play.

 

[Evo1883]

Think it's mostly because Wilder is clueless without Hamer to bail him out most weeks

Wilder has several promotions without hamer

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

That's assuming simms is still worth 3.5

If Cannon is worth £10 million I think it's set the precedent that we could quite easily recoup the initial £3.5 million outlay on Simms.

Cannon is doing ok but hasn't really done enough to justify £10 million fee imo

 

[Evo1883]

I think it is.

His stats this season vs other championship forwards are actually very very average, especially looking at open play.

Sure , but as we all know stats don't really tell it all , he has 9 goals to Simms 3

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Wilder has several promotions without hamer

When was his last one?

 

[Evo1883]

When was his last one?

18-19

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

That's fair , but you also have to consider the quality of teams in for cannon and it's for his finishing ability isn't it ?
Sheffield united and Sunderland were both prepared to spend 10 mill plus on cannon (one being paid upon promotion ) because they clearly see that he's a goalscorer

He's 2 years younger than Simms and has played less than 70 games as a pro scoring almost 30 goals .

It's not hard to see why teams are prepared to pay for him.

Cannon has 22 professional goals doesn't he? Other goals were for Everton u21 team so not yet close to 30.

Simms scored 19 last season alone which pretty much matches Cannons whole career and also scored big goals against Wolves and Man Utd

Not even arguing Simms is better here but it's a lot, lot closer than you think.

 

[Evo1883]

Cannon has 22 professional goals doesn't he? Other goals were for Everton u21 team so not yet close to 30.

Simms scored 19 last season alone which pretty much matches Cannons whole career and also scored big goals against Wolves and Man Utd

Not even arguing Simms is better here but it's a lot, lot closer than you think.

27 pro goals

He is on 11 this season at a shit stoke team in all comps

I didn't realise me saying I think cannon was a better striker would upset so many

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

27 pro goals

He is on 11 this season at a shit stoke team in all comps

I didn't realise me saying I think cannon was a better striker would upset so many

5 of them for the Everton u21 team probably recorded as 'pro' goals as they were likely in the JPT. So 22 goals in proper football

Please go check and correct me if I'm wrong

 

[MusicDating]

Cracking finish to put Hull 1 up at Sheff Utd early on

Interestingly, it was a counter-attack with everyone back defending a corner and then all breaking at once.

I know folk want us to leave players up when defending corners, but that's a great example of what can happen you have 3/4 players all charging forward (we may have done that with our goal at QPR but CBA to check now!).

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

27 pro goals

He is on 11 this season at a shit stoke team in all comps

I didn't realise me saying I think cannon was a better striker would upset so many

I think people just disagree with you rather than getting upset, its kind of the point of a forum that people have differing points of view

 

[Evo1883]

5 of them for the Everton u21 team probably recorded as 'pro' goals as they were likely in the JPT. So 22 goals in proper football

Please go check and correct me if I'm wrong

You don't count 5 goals against league 1 and 2 sides in the JPT no ?

Fair enough 22

 

[Evo1883]

I think people just disagree with you rather than getting upset, its kind of the point of a forum that people have differing points of view

Fair enough , i reckon in a few years we can see who has had the better career

 

[ptr]

What is simms better than cannon at ? In your opinion

Rattling our fanbase because he doesn’t run around like a headless chicken.

 

[Evo1883]

Rattling our fanbase because he doesn’t run around like a headless chicken.

I'm sure that's what all teams look for in a striker , one that rattles the fans rather than the net

I joke

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

18-19

Exactly

 

[Evo1883]

Exactly

Eh ? He also kept sheffield united in the Premier league , he's a good manager with 4 promotions on his CV

 

[David O'Day]

Al Hamadi gone to Stoke for the season - good signing for Robins.
Hull winning tonight has put them (Stoke) right in it!!!

good signing? Ok

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Interestingly, it was a counter-attack with everyone back defending a corner and then all breaking at once.

I know folk want us to leave players up when defending corners, but that's a great example of what can happen you have 3/4 players all charging forward (we may have done that with our goal at QPR but CBA to check now!).

My argument for leaving players up is for defensive reasons as much as it is options on the counter.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Eh ? He also kept sheffield united in the Premier league , he's a good manager

He hasn't had a successful season in quite some time.

 

[David O'Day]

You don't count 5 goals against league 1 and 2 sides in the JPT no ?

Fair enough 22

no, they were likely scored against weakened league 1 and 2 teams

 

[Evo1883]

no, they were likely scored against weakened league 1 and 2 teams

Don't many teams play weakened teams in cups anyway ?

Didn't our simms scored a hattrick against non league opponents last season?

 

[David O'Day]

The question with Cannon is do you think you can carry his lack of contribution in general play and does his finishing make up for it.

 

[Evo1883]

The question with Cannon is do you think you can carry his lack of contribution in general play and does his finishing make up for it.

I guess time will tell