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[torchomatic]

none has been offered, but Trump said it so all the simple people and idiots are now running with it like it’s absolute proven fact.

Is that outside of SBT too?

 

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[chiefdave]

Wonder why people who work in hospitals might get sick

A very quick glance at the figures shows you that since covid came along the number of NHS employees off with covid-like symptoms has skyrocketed. It's a real mystery.

 

[Alkhen]

Trumps comments are disgusting. There is clearly audio of the air traffic control warning the helicopter pilots several times of a plane in their vicinity.

These are scary times. Everything is a chance to stoke an agenda, more and more people lapping it up as the truth from platforms that are controlled by people in power.

 

[SBT]

It will be interesting to see if this particular tragedy was caused by incompetence, I suspect it is too early to say

The Trump administration clearly disagrees with your last point

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Regarding the plane crash:

There does seem to be a lot of focus on the helicopter being at fault, but that seems a bit one dimensional to me.

Whilst military aircraft operate under a looser set of rules, and that particular area is commonplace for military activity, there was ample time for ATC to intervene. They have collision alerts that would have been kicking off, so even if the helicopter wasn't responding over radio (one rumour), they could have sent the plane around.

It will be investigated obviously, but it is a very strange incident, and from an aviation perspective doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I doubt DEI or Trump himself are anything to do with it, but the policies of both at present and over the last four years are questionable at best.

 

[Captain Dart]

Regarding the plane crash:

There does seem to be a lot of focus on the helicopter being at fault, but that seems a bit one dimensional to me.

Whilst military aircraft operate under a looser set of rules, and that particular area is commonplace for military activity, there was ample time for ATC to intervene. They have collision alerts that would have been kicking off, so even if the helicopter wasn't responding over radio (one rumour), they could have sent the plane around.

It will be investigated obviously, but it is a very strange incident, and from an aviation perspective doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I doubt DEI or Trump himself are anything to do with it, but the policies of both at present and over the last four years are questionable at best.

I just heard the audio and watched a video of the crash, it looks to me like the ATC asked the heli pilot if he has the plane on visual but there is another aircraft in the area and I reckon the helicopter pilot was watching that and not the plane he hit.

I'd say both parties were in error but the ATC should have instructed the heli to change to a safe course regardless of what the pilot was saying.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Well they've got to create a diversion for Boeing haven't they?

Saw a piece on how Boeing have gone to the dogs in terms of technical know how in recent years because they've changed focus from technical to financial after a change in ownership (McDonnell Douglas). Basically spend all their time concerned about shareholder return than , say, making decent planes. Spend more on share buybacks to keep the share price inflated than they do on R&D. Yet no-one has thought "maybe if we made decent aircraft and didn't have all these negative press from incidents then maybe we wouldn't need to manipulate the stock price to retain shareholder confidence.

But as Grendel says, the wonders of capitalism....

 

[MalcSB]

none has been offered, but Trump said it so all the simple people and idiots are now running with it like it’s absolute proven fact.

They probably aren’t, but its another stick to beat people with.

Can anyone show that what Trump said about the recruitment policies was inaccurate. It is entirely within the range of possibility that it was an entirely factual statement. The BBC has found some archived pages showing that what Trump said is accurate.

I asked that question, only you fail to comprehend.

I think you should have said “ if it impacts safety” rather than “when”. There‘s no evidence either way.

Having said that, the concept of preferentially hiring people with severe intellectual disability or psychiatric disability seems to potentially be high risk in this industry - dependent upon which type of roles are being hired for. I’m not sure how many of us would want to be piloted by someone with a psychiatric disability. Or a heart condition for that matter.

The colour of a pilot’s skin of itself makes no difference.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I'm sure I heard/read that the NHS recently had 50,000 employees off sick.
Can't be correct surely??

Well let's look at the facts.

It's the biggest employer in the country covering a huge variety of roles
Many of the staff work in buildings which will be full of people who have a host of transmissible diseases
Many of the people they treat are vulnerable and if they get a transmissible disease the patients life could be at risk be a sick person going into work
For a lot of them its a very physically and psychologically stressful job, where peoples lives are literally in the balance, and you don't get the choice to take a 5 minute break to recharge.
It's vastly understaffed so many are working ridiculously long hours, adding to the stress and burnout, which creates a vicious cycle.

I'd be amazed if it wasn't more.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

In response, Trump says: "There are things you have to go by brain power and psychological quality."

He says his administration has the highest standards, and claims the standards under the previous government were "the opposite".

He says there will be an investigation, but for air controllers, "we want the brightest, smartest, sharpest, psychologically superior" people.

How utterly crass

minutes silence then says it’s unhinged disabled people only employed to fit a quota

But clearly not the US government...

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I’m sure trumps feelings would be hurt by all of these nasty comments on skybluestalk

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Anyone who blindly supports Labour whilst disagreeing with things Labour support now which they didn’t whilst in opposition.

Im not entirely sure you fit entirely in that category. I do think that shmmeee does.

Anyone who blindly disagrees with Labour now but who supported the Tories doing the same thing while in power.

I think you fit into that category.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Anyone who blindly supports Labour whilst disagreeing with things Labour support now which they didn’t whilst in opposition.

Im not entirely sure you fit entirely in that category. I do think that shmmeee does.

‘Shmmeee’ is the definition of deluded, if you looked up that word in the dictionary his face would appear

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

‘Shmmeee’ is the definition of deluded, if you looked up that word in the dictionary his face would appear

What’s the best thing Trump has done so far in your view, Dominic?

 

[Grendel]

you’re giving him what he craves. He’s just a common troll and you don’t feed the trolls.

The irony and lack of self awareness is astonishing but it got a like from ROS

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Just to be clear on the timeline:

Jan 20: Trump fires the head of the FAA

Jan 21: Trump freezes hiring for air traffic controllers

Jan 22: Trump disbands the Aviation Safety Advisory Committee

Jan 28: Trump issues a retirement demand to existing ATC employees

Jan 29: First mid air collision in the US for 16 years.

So whose fault is it?

 

[MalcSB]

Trump has now - explicitly - blamed his predecessors in the Biden administration - particularly former Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg - for allegedly hiring people with disabilities and psychological issues for air traffic controller positions.

Presumably that will be a hypotheses to be looked at as part of the investigation, and potentially the easiest to complete definitively. They will also need to look at the helicopter crew as well.

 

[MalcSB]

Just to be clear on the timeline:

Jan 20: Trump fires the head of the FAA

Jan 21: Trump freezes hiring for air traffic controllers

Jan 22: Trump disbands the Aviation Safety Advisory Committee

Jan 28: Trump issues a retirement demand to existing ATC employees

Jan 29: First mid air collision in the US for 16 years.

So whose fault is it?

This is interesting. I’m not sure why ATC are telling the helicopter to go behind the commercial jet when it is already in front of it and would have to turn round and fly back across the jet’s path to comply.

Traffic control radar shows moment of DC airplane crash

Footage of an air traffic control room screen shows the radar view of an American Airlines plane colliding with a military helicopter.

www.bbc.co.uk

So , ATC who should be professional at all times at work. They sounded confused to me.

 

[MalcSB]

Anyone who blindly disagrees with Labour now but who supported the Tories doing the same thing while in power.

I think you fit into that category.

TBH, I can’t remember what the Tories opposed in opposition but then did an immediate about face when the formed a coalition government, 14 + years is a long time.

As far as I know, I am allowed to support whichever political party I want to and disagree with which ever party or politician I want to. We are not a clone of Russia yet.

It’s not my fault that Starmer comes across as an uninspiring, unprincipled twat. I am astonished they he was seen as the best option as leader.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

This is interesting. I’m not sure why ATC are telling the helicopter to go behind the commercial jet when it is already in front of it and would have to turn round and fly back across the jet’s path to comply.

Traffic control radar shows moment of DC airplane crash

Footage of an air traffic control room screen shows the radar view of an American Airlines plane colliding with a military helicopter.

www.bbc.co.uk

So , ATC who should be professional at all times at work. They sounded confused to me.

ATC checked repeatedly that the helicopter had visual separation from the plane. The helicopter crew did have separation from a plane, just not the one ATC thought they did.

However, look at what Trump did to aviation regulation and controls in his first week and tell me this won’t happen again during his term. You dismantle the regulatory state, this will be a consequence.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Just to be clear on the timeline:

Jan 20: Trump fires the head of the FAA

Jan 21: Trump freezes hiring for air traffic controllers

Jan 22: Trump disbands the Aviation Safety Advisory Committee

Jan 28: Trump issues a retirement demand to existing ATC employees

Jan 29: First mid air collision in the US for 16 years.

So whose fault is it?

Your Trump Derrangment Syndrome is making you look like an ass here, and also very ignorant to how aviation works.

I don't agree with some of these policies, but they've got zero bearing on what happened for this crash.

If you're on the warpath then go and research some of the policies, particularly on hiring, during the Obama and Biden campaigns. They're staggeringly stupid, and whilst Trump does have a point, it was also equally a very insensitive thing to say so soon. Until we know more about the personnel involved, nothing is for certain.

It's almost certainly human error from the helicopter pilots and ATC. From an aviation perspective it is an absolute clusterfuck. With the amount of layers involved to prevent something like this, it's unthinkable such an incident could occur.

 

[MalcSB]

Ronald Reagan fires 11,359 air‑traffic controllers | August 5, 1981 | HISTORY

On August 5, 1981, President Ronald Reagan begins firing 11,359 air‑traffic controllers striking in violation of his order for them to return to work. The executive action, regarded as extreme by many, significantly slowed air travel for months. Two days earlier, on August 3, almost 13,000...

www.history.com

 

[MalcSB]

Is that outside of SBT too?

Is there anything outside SBT?

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

Like I said, if the majority on this thread dislike him it’s a good thing! People on this thread haven’t got a clue and don’t live in the real world

Nice one Dim Dom. Can't wait for the day when you put together a coherent well researched comment on here that is based on truth. You lap up the MAGA Trump stuff its very funny like a little fan boy. Do you have a poster of him in his bedroom that you tug yourself off to each night? Please go to university and hopefully don't have children until you have dome so. The world will be a nicer place without nasty, loveless, racist, mysoginistic gammons like you spreading extremism and hate about. FRO.

 

[Otis]

I’m sure trumps feelings would be hurt by all of these nasty comments on skybluestalk

Not at all. He gets enough nasty comments about him from within his own family, so he's well used to it.

 

[SBT]

Can anyone show that what Trump said about the recruitment policies was inaccurate. It is entirely within the range of possibility that it was an entirely factual statement.

What would your reaction be if your wife’s plane crashed at Heathrow, and Starmer held a press conference the same morning to say that removing the Winter Fuel Allowance from more pensioners might have somehow prevented the tragedy?

 

[Sick Boy]

They probably aren’t, but its another stick to beat people with.

Can anyone show that what Trump said about the recruitment policies was inaccurate. It is entirely within the range of possibility that it was an entirely factual statement. The BBC has found some archived pages showing that what Trump said is accurate.

I think you should have said “ if it impacts safety” rather than “when”. There‘s no evidence either way.

Having said that, the concept of preferentially hiring people with severe intellectual disability or psychiatric disability seems to potentially be high risk in this industry - dependent upon which type of roles are being hired for. I’m not sure how many of us would want to be piloted by someone with a psychiatric disability. Or a heart condition for that matter.

The colour of a pilot’s skin of itself makes no difference.

I agree that the best person for the job should get it, regardless of anything else.

However, in this case there’s zero actual evidence that it’s caused the crash and it’s all about cheap and crass political point scoring.

In times in the past they’d have been widespread condemnation of his remarks.

 

[PVA]

It's mad that the President of the US can stand up and say its 'common sense' that non-white and disabled people are to blame for this accident. And that it's 'common sense' that they are intellectually inferior.

That's bad enough on its own, even worse is people (including on here) saying 'you know what he's right'

 

[CovValleyBoy]

There are 1,500,000 people employed by the NHS, so that would be 3.3%, which is close to public sector average, private sector being 2.6%.
Public sector sickness rates are generally higher than private sector rates due to a combination of factors including:

• Job nature:
  Many public sector roles, particularly in healthcare and social services, can be physically and emotionally demanding, leading to higher sickness rates compared to certain private sector jobs.
  
  
• Sick leave policies:
  Public sector employees often have more generous sick leave policies with better pay protection, potentially encouraging more reporting of illness.
  
  
• Work culture:
  Some argue that the public sector may have a slightly more relaxed approach to reporting sickness due to perceived job security, which could contribute to higher absence rates. This not my experience as someone who worked in the NHS for a very long time, including 30 years as a senior manager. Sickness rates were a performance target with the aim of it being managed downwards with clear trigger standards set for individuals to have capacity reviews with a panel of senior managers, professionals and what we used to call HR but these days seem to have adopted titles like talent management or “People”. People what?
  
  
• Mental health concerns:
  Studies suggest public sector workers might be more likely to take sick days related to mental health issues due to workplace pressures.

Having been in hospital recently, I have to say that quite a lot of the ward staff were unwell with flu like symptoms and in my view should not have been at work, so to think that this is chronic unjustified absenteeism is far from the truth. Ward staff do not have the option to work from home if they have a sniffle. What these nurses were showing was presenteeism which isn’t always helpful in the NHS.

Shocked at the number of employees in The NHS but I guess with a larger & older population 1.5 millions is about right.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Presumably that will be a hypotheses to be looked at as part of the investigation, and potentially the easiest to complete definitively. They will also need to look at the helicopter crew as well.

At best it’s insensitive at worst it’s interfering in the investigation of the death of 70 odd people in a tragic incident
He’s a wanker

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Your Trump Derrangment Syndrome is making you look like an ass here, and also very ignorant to how aviation works.

I don't agree with some of these policies, but they've got zero bearing on what happened for this crash.

If you're on the warpath then go and research some of the policies, particularly on hiring, during the Obama and Biden campaigns. They're staggeringly stupid, and whilst Trump does have a point, it was also equally a very insensitive thing to say so soon. Until we know more about the personnel involved, nothing is for certain.

It's almost certainly human error from the helicopter pilots and ATC. From an aviation perspective it is an absolute clusterfuck. With the amount of layers involved to prevent something like this, it's unthinkable such an incident could occur.

Pointing out objectively stupid things he has done in this context isn’t derangement it’s fact. He wants to dismantle the regulatory state-in the context of aviation that will make accidents more likely.

 

[Macca]

Always an outside chance it was deliberate

 

[Ring Of Steel]

It's mad that the President of the US can stand up and say its 'common sense' that non-white and disabled people are to blame for this accident. And that it's 'common sense' that they are intellectually inferior.

That's bad enough on its own, even worse is people (including on here) saying 'you know what he's right'

This is how it will be now- bonkers, divisive, callous (and unproven) comments, designed to single out minorities, and a big chunk of people will actually lap it up so that it becomes normalised & acceptable.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

This is how it will be now- bonkers, divisive, callous (and unproven) comments, designed to single out minorities, and a big chunk of people will actually lap it up so that it becomes normalised & acceptable.

Already is normalised and we know where this ends

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Already is normalised and we know where this ends

at the risk of sounding a bit over the top, yes we do, and there are some horrible parallels in terms of a dictatorial leader banging on about becoming the ultimate power blaming all problems on minorities and foreigners, and that concept becoming more & more prevalent.