SkyBlueDom26
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You said ‘I can understand why they have been’ in regards to the October the 7th massacre. How is there any understanding on that?
Trump is my favourite comedian of the year already (26 Viewers)
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duffer
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I'd be more than happy to see the back of Hamas, but not at the cost of the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. Which is literally what Trump is advocating, and is thus aligning himself directly with the man you're calling a war criminal.
Do you not think it's a bit odd to advocate for Trump in this, given your position on Netanyahu?
Sky Blue Pete
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You think treating people violently abusively giving them no hope of a future doesn’t have consequences?????
And yes I think understand is completely the right answer for their actions.
If you don’t seek to understand how can you change the future l?
I’ve just finished reading daughter of auschwitz and how the child in the story returns to her home in Poland and the poles make their life a misery after the war. I should have but didn’t realise that non nazis attacked Jews that survived the holocaust in the late 40’s and 50’s
And that the state of Israel was largely a response of that and not to piss off arabs
Did we fuck that up ? Yes and I mean humanity not Brits or allies etc
The lady in the book moved to the USA and then moved to Israel just in time for the 1967 war that Israel won against all the odds
I’ve also read about how the national socialists rose up as a direct consequence of how the winners treated the losers from the first world war
I’ve also read extensively about tito and the Bosnian war and Rwanda and how the various sides hold on to national humiliation for generations and then this is acted out in what seems to be violent and out the blue
How ostrich like does one have to be to not see the fuckin pattern
so yes i understand why Hamas did what they did the absolute fuckers and it was hideous and will have long lasting effects that will ultimately be more negative to them and their supporters
How do you respond when people treat you badly?
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SkyBlueDom26
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Him saying he wants Hamas destroyed is a good thing in mine and many peoples lives that don’t like terrorist groups.
Otis
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We need Hamas gone, but the Israeli government gone too.
SkyBlueDom26
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Yeah for sure. Both are as bad as each other
Brighton Sky Blue
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That isn’t all he wants to do.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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But it seems that Israel are basically treating every Palestinian as Hamas. There does not seem to be any distinction between the two. As far as Israel are concerned, and their actions seem to back this up, there is no such thing as an innocent Palestinian civilian. Everyone is a legitimate target.
Sky Blue Pete
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Pre and post attack
HungarySkyBlue
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I don't get how he can support Israel but not Ukraine I mean yeah I don't know my brain just fried when it comes to the situation.
chiefdave
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The idea of wiping Hamas off the face of the earth is all well and good but we've been here before and there's never any workable plan for what happens next.
The US / Israel will want control of whoever 'leads' Palestine next, if there even is a Palestine to lead. What history tells us is they will not align with the views of Palestinians so you will create the ideal conditions for someone even worse than Hamas.
After all that Palestinians have suffered its not hard to imagine there are many who will now be far more against the US / Israel than they were when they were able to go about their lives with a relative degree of normality.
shmmeee
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22 senators say exactly the same thing.. using the same video inserts
and lots of TV stations say "This is extremely dangerous to our democracy"
Just coordinated.. there is a hell of a lot a lot of coordination going on there.
Oh no an organisation that’s organised. The horrors.
chiefdave
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It's crazy isn't it. We've got people praising Trump for 'ending' the war in Ukraine by refusing to supply weapons, intelligence etc to the invaded country. Hailing him as a genius who is against war and conflict.
At the same time you've got a large cross section of the same people praising Trump for wanting to go even further than Israel and wipe Palestine off the map to turn it into some grotesque Trump holiday resort.
He's also back on about Greenland and talking about 'any means necessary' to take control.
Hardly the words or actions of someone who hopes to see the world at peace.
Grendel
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I don’t see Hamas as struggling or suffering and there’s no understanding their actions
Brighton Sky Blue
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I suspect you will find the $100 million from Miriam Adelson during the last election campaign may have had a teeny bit of influence on his help for Israel.
Sky Blue Pete
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Fair enough and you’re certainly entitled to your opinion
Probably been better to say Palestinians than Hamas
And irrespective of you or others understanding or not someone needs to try a different model of war
Brighton Sky Blue
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The Israeli response is akin to us bombing Catholic areas of NI to get revenge on the IRA.
Sky Blue Pete
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Dom admits that Netanyahu is a war criminal. So why is it good for Trump to bring him to Washington as a hero? Why ally yourself with such a man?
The answer is because the Adelsons have paid him hundreds of millions of dollars to get him elected and return the favour.
Captain Dart
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Israel have been stealing land and terrorising Palestinians systematically since the 1948 partition & even before.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Correct
SkyBlueCharlie9
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I fear Trump is building up to trying to occupy Greenland at some point in next 2 years. I hope Im wrong. Europe need to prepare for all scenarios.
USA is fast becoming an isolated rogue state.
USA is fast becoming an isolated rogue state.
Brighton Sky Blue
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If they invaded it nobody is really going to stop them, let’s be honest. If he starts bombing Mexico however…
Elon Musk's AI chatbot says a 'Russian asset' delivered the State of the Union | Opinion
The chatbot Grok scoured available public data and found a '75-85% likelihood' that Donald Trump more or less works for Vladimir Putin.
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Also, we have the actual official White House website using phrases like this:
The Fake News losers at CNN immediately tried to fact check it, but President Trump was right (as usual).
Absolutely nuts.
The Fake News losers at CNN immediately tried to fact check it, but President Trump was right (as usual).
Yes, Biden Spent Millions on Transgender Animal Experiments
Last night, President Donald J. Trump highlighted many of the egregious examples of waste, fraud, and abuse funded by American taxpayers, including $8
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Absolutely nuts.
shmmeee
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Also, we have the actual official White House website using phrases like this:
The Fake News losers at CNN immediately tried to fact check it, but President Trump was right (as usual).
Yes, Biden Spent Millions on Transgender Animal Experiments
Last night, President Donald J. Trump highlighted many of the egregious examples of waste, fraud, and abuse funded by American taxpayers, including $8www.whitehouse.gov
Absolutely nuts.
Not long before we get official reports of Dear Leaders perfect golf round at this rate.
I've seen his golf swing, in a totally shocking turn of events that I’m sure no one will believe, he 100% cheats.
Captain Dart
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The USA has a long history of buying or acquiring territory by treaty or simply annexing it. There was the massive Louisiana purchase from France, Alaska from the Russians, California was part ceded and part purchased from Mexico, Florida was ceded by Spain and Hawaii was annexed as was the Phillipines but the Phillipines were given independance in 1947.
It is a bona fide conspiracy theory that he wants to occupy Greenland by force.
Brighton Sky Blue
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When did the US last do that?The USA has a long history of buying or acquiring territory by treaty or simply annexing it. There was the massive Louisiana purchase from France, Alaska from the Russians, California was part ceded and part purchased from Mexico, Florida was ceded by Spain and Hawaii was annexed as was the Phillipines but the Phillipines were given independance in 1947.
It is a bona fide conspiracy theory that he wants to occupy Greenland by force.
Ian1779
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Yeah can’t wait for Season 7 of Black Mirror
Brighton Sky Blue
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Trump now saying he will revoke the refugee status of 240,000 Ukrainians.
Sky Blue Pete
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He never stops does he ratcheting up the rhetoric