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[AJB1983]

World class does get banded around way too much these days

10 years ago 'World Class' was reserved especially for Messi and Ronaldo and that is it

I like Newcastle and think they have a cracking side but I side but I saw someone claim Bruno is 'world class' the other day - He is great but he isn't 'world class'

In the palace villa game they were doing pre match analysis and someone said that a 25 yard pass in a game by Adam Wharton was ‘world class’ - well not really. It was alright but hardly that good

 

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[SBT]

To me the quality of centre forwards is way way down on what it used to be and no one can tell me otherwise. Players that couldn't even get in the likes of Brazils squads regularly would be among the best around right now. Actually English forwards too tbf, we used to have a good roster, or if you will, deck.

Why would strikers specifically get worse? Is it not just an evolution of tactics?

 

[shmmeee]

World class does get banded around way too much these days

10 years ago 'World Class' was reserved especially for Messi and Ronaldo and that is it

I like Newcastle and think they have a cracking side but I side but I saw someone claim Bruno is 'world class' the other day - He is great but he isn't 'world class'

World class literally just means one of the best in the world. Two people isn’t a class you can’t have just Ronaldo and Messi. This is like “club legend” people get weirdly defensive about it. If you’re playing top level football consistently you’re world class.

 

[TomRad85]

Why would strikers specifically get worse? Is it not just an evolution of tactics?

Or the tactics are making the strikers worse, if they are coached a certain way from a young age i guess that's a possibility. Hard to say really, maybe i'm not objective as i don't really like what football has become generally. Find a lot of it a bit of a circus tbh. Used to love it, watch any football i could, read up on football, think about football.. now its just CCFC for me really, the rest is just noise.

 

[Nick]

What will players be like when they haven't been shown how to head a ball until they are 19 or whatever it will be by then.

 

[SBT]

Used to love it, watch any football i could, read up on football, think about football

Did this happen to be in your late teens/early 20s by any chance?

 

[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

World class is reserved for players that good they start for whatever team as they are the best in their respective position like Mohammed Salah, Van Dijk, Harry Kane

 

[TomRad85]

Did this happen to be in your late teens/early 20s by any chance?

Hey get out of my head bro!
Seriously though, psychologist bit aside there's a lot to hate about modern football. If you want to put that down to old man yells at cloud then I'm ok with it, but i think many people can see the issues.

 

[TomRad85]

World class is reserved for players that good they start for whatever team as they are the best in their respective position like Mohammed Salah, Van Dijk, Harry Kane

It's something i'd use to refer to the handful of best players at the handful of best teams. But its not something worth getting bent out of shape about tbf. I'd say our manager was a world class player for sure.

 

[Pusb1]

Crazy!

 

[rob9872]

It's something i'd use to refer to the handful of best players at the handful of best teams. But its not something worth getting bent out of shape about tbf. I'd say our manager was a world class player for sure.

Agree. In England alone I'd say we have 4 world class keepers: Alisson, Ederson, Martinez, Collins.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Shows how useless draws are for Preston

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hey get out of my head bro!
Seriously though, psychologist bit aside there's a lot to hate about modern football. If you want to put that down to old man yells at cloud then I'm ok with it, but i think many people can see the issues.

The modern obsession with xG has led to teams going out of their way to avoid shooting, while the equal obsession with AAATB football means the game has slowed down and in my view is far more boring to watch.

The demise of Pep’s Man City and the rise of anti-Southgate tactics though gives me hope for the future.

 

[shmmeee]

The modern obsession with xG has led to teams going out of their way to avoid shooting, while the equal obsession with AAATB football means the game has slowed down and in my view is far more boring to watch.

The demise of Pep’s Man City and the rise of anti-Southgate tactics though gives me hope for the future.

It’s the fucking pass pass pass with zero movement or intention. Most teams can’t do it and end up like us just farting about by the halfway line all game.

 

[TomRad85]

The modern obsession with xG has led to teams going out of their way to avoid shooting, while the equal obsession with AAATB football means the game has slowed down and in my view is far more boring to watch.

The demise of Pep’s Man City and the rise of anti-Southgate tactics though gives me hope for the future.

I saw a thread the other day about overrated players back in the day and apparently looking back using various 'stats' the likes of Joe Cole and Jay-Jay Okocha were 'overrated'. Again i'm not going old man on this but if that's the conclusion you come to then sometimes its just good to put the stats in the bin and use your fucking eyes for once.

 

[SBT]

Hey get out of my head bro!
Seriously though, psychologist bit aside there's a lot to hate about modern football. If you want to put that down to old man yells at cloud then I'm ok with it, but i think many people can see the issues.

Oh yeah don’t get me wrong, there’s plenty I also don’t like about the game today. And nothing wrong with preferring things the way they used to be. I just don’t like to say that things were objectively better in my day, when the game is clearly coming on leaps and bounds in terms of both ability and popularity.

 

[Evo1883]

People are always saying this, think it’s just nostalgia tbh

Its a different game , individual brilliance is almost gone replaced by Robots .. football isnt the same

 

[SBT]

The modern obsession with xG has led to teams going out of their way to avoid shooting, while the equal obsession with AAATB football means the game has slowed down and in my view is far more boring to watch.

The demise of Pep’s Man City and the rise of anti-Southgate tactics though gives me hope for the future.

The number of shots per game in the PL last season was the highest in more than a decade

The Numbers Behind the Premier League Goal Explosion | Opta Analyst

We're averaging more Premier League goals than ever in 2023-24, but why? We dive into the numbers to try and find out.

theanalyst.com

 

[shmmeee]

The number of shots per game in the PL last season was the highest in more than a decade

The Numbers Behind the Premier League Goal Explosion | Opta Analyst

We're averaging more Premier League goals than ever in 2023-24, but why? We dive into the numbers to try and find out.

theanalyst.com

Hmmm. Puts it down partly to a bigger gulf between promoted teams and the rest and then just goes “must be better cos coaching and strikers lol” rather than actually answering the question of what the difference between shots taken is across the different leagues. Shame because it was going well until the end.

 

[Captain Dart]

Its a different game , individual brilliance is almost gone replaced by Robots .. football isnt the same

Yeah the tactics are intended to minimise errors hence less risk taking more safe passing it around.

 

[SBT]

Its a different game , individual brilliance is almost gone replaced by Robots .. football isnt the same

Nor should it be the same as it was 20 years ago!

There is still individual brilliance to be found everywhere - a broad rise in standards maybe means they stand out less? The idea that players being drilled better makes them robots is a purely subjective thing - personally I prefer watching when players seem to have a clue what they’re supposed to be doing.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Its a different game , individual brilliance is almost gone replaced by Robots .. football isnt the same

Robins said this a lot over the last years he was here about football becoming more like Chess for managers. Sadly those moments of magic come at the expense of the managers control of the game.

Ultimately tho I do think it’ll switch back when new styles come over here (Relationism)

 

[Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon]

Nor should it be the same as it was 20 years ago!

There is still individual brilliance to be found everywhere - a broad rise in standards maybe means they stand out less? The idea that players being drilled better makes them robots is a purely subjective thing - personally I prefer watching when players seem to have a clue what they’re supposed to be doing.

I don't know mate, i always found it highly entertaining that neither the opposition nor Dele Adebola knew what Dele Adebola might do next.

 

[Captain Dart]

Robins said this a lot over the last years he was here about football becoming more like Chess for managers. Sadly those moments of magic come at the expense of the managers control of the game.

Ultimately tho I do think it’ll switch back when new styles come over here (Relationism)

Yeah, some new disruptive and successful way of playing will come along one day. Never stand still.

 

[Evo1883]

Nor should it be the same as it was 20 years ago!

There is still individual brilliance to be found everywhere - a broad rise in standards maybe means they stand out less? The idea that players being drilled better makes them robots is a purely subjective thing - personally I prefer watching when players seem to have a clue what they’re supposed to be doing.

You're entitled to your opinion

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Yeah, some new disruptive and successful way of playing will come along one day. Never stand still.

It’s just a pendulum imo. I’m sure people felt the same in the past when for instance Queen’s Park in Scotland started to favour possession over a direct approach in the very early history of the game. It’ll keep changing based on what works and then tactics will be made to break what works and it’ll swing in a different direction.

 

[rob9872]

It’s just a pendulum imo. I’m sure people felt the same in the past when for instance Queen’s Park in Scotland started to favour possession over a direct approach in the very early history of the game. It’ll keep changing based on what works and then tactics will be made to break what works and it’ll swing in a different direction.

The tactics I find best are whatever way you can to do two things:

1) get the round thing between the sticky things at the other end
2) stop the round thing going between the sticky things at your end

Generally I've noticed teams who can do both of these well are quite successful.

 

[SBT]

You're entitled to your opinion

How dare you disagree with me

 

[RegTheDonk]

Tbf we would be fuming if owner changed us from sky blues wouldn't we?

Yes, we would. Wasn't born but does anybody remember or have family that remember what the feeling was when we became the Sky Blues and the kit changed? I certainly remember the backlash when someone (Jimmy?) apparently wanted to change our name to "Coventry Talbot".

 

[RegTheDonk]

Have there ever been top quality footballing brothers?

When I was a kid remember Terry and Kenny Hibbit.

 

[Nuskyblue]

Off to research. Didn’t know Laudrup or De Boer were brothers. Both world class?

De Boer were famously twins.

 

[Sick Boy]

Have there ever been top quality footballing brothers?

The Dasilvas.

 

[Nuskyblue]

And I thought that was dull too. Fine if you like it I just find modern football a bit boring mostly.

It was worth watching at Barca but mostly because they had Messi. Remove his magic and it's shite.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Isaiah

I liked Issac Osbourne, unlucky with injuries

Sheaf also has a younger brother playing in the Nat League with Gateshead

Bloody hell you hve a good memory. I'm 2 years older than you and was only 11 when Isaac Osbourne last played substantial time for us and can't remember how good he was at all.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Have there ever been top quality footballing brothers?

Gary Thompson, Keith Thompson