RoboCCFC90
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I am just repeating what is being said.
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I am just repeating what is being said.
SkyblueBazza
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I couldn't do that...never
Moff
Well-Known Member
Its funny I read it that Robo is posting a quote from Fisher in response to a question from another poster, and is merely posting something that is in print in the public domain from Fisher.
I cant see anywhere him saying he agrees or its what he wants. Perhaps you are the sucker for seeing a conspiracy in his post that doesn't exist.
RegTheDonk
Well-Known Member
But it won't be a Sky Blues asset. It'll be a SISU/Otium/whatevernewnametheycomeoutwith asset, with CCFC renting it.
SkyBlueHomer
New Member
Yes, my thoughts as well, but how much would people pay.
Maybe TF is trying to call peoples bluff here as well. If all you lot are saying we wont go until SISU go, we are in it long term so we wont need a big stadium because you lot wont come.
GaryPendrysEyes
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So Mr. Simon Gilbert. The response is a cross between disbelief, lead ballon and err disbelief. What is the location, when is a real plan being produced, what is the timeline?
The Gentleman
Well-Known Member
Stop pissing on Fisher's bonfire
The Gentleman
Well-Known Member
And all I was doing was asking a question, blimey people and their conspiracy theories eh !
Mary_Mungo_Midge
Well-Known Member
I agree. The offerings of those who still try and excuse this pantomime gets ever more pitiful.
Let me give you an example. Remember when this all started, it was all about rents. Does anyone actually care to remember? Fisher bleating on about 'average League One rentals'. Some fools like Grendel then actually then start to offer comparisons. It's laughable.
But than - wait. It changes. It's about revenues. There's some movement from ACL on rent, so the debate changes to revenues. SISU know ACL are hamstrung on giving away too many revenue streams given contracts awarded to others who have bought rights. But those where some access is possible are laid open to debate.
So, change again. Move to a smaller stadium; which seems kinda counterintuitive given the previous debate about revenues - as they're notably decreased. What's it about now? Oh, freehold.
Why freehold, and not long leasehold with low rents? Apparently, it's all about 'revenue streams'. Aha! But wait there, couldn't they get that from a leasehold at the Ricoh. Why do we need a new stadium to access revenues?
And if you want me to be quite frank, how can any possible revenue streams be factored in when nobody knows where this fabled stadium might be? Does anyone - in the name of God - really believe this?
Think about something like stadium sponsorship - naming rights. Imagine going to Ricoh, or Samsung, or Fishymores for that matter - I don't feckin' care....
'Would you like to sponsor our new stadium'
'Where is it'
'Don't know'
'Will it have a high level of visibility, like the Ricoh, for example?'
'Don't know. Here's a picture of what it might look like on a sunny day though.'
Thanks. Will it attract events such at the Olympics, England Under 21 games or European rugby?'
'Urhm; don't know. Have we got a deal then?'
I'm sorry to be facetious; but there is no way revenues can possibly be factored into the bigger thinking - be that stadium naming rights, conferencing, concerts, events, exhibitions, whatever - without a known location - and why anyone would even begin to think it could be in frankly the work of fantasy.
Some of you will get exactly the sort of club your stupidity deserves
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magic82ball
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He may say that but is that the truth Robo? The equity will ALWAYS be converted to debt at some point. No likely at an exorbitant rate of interest at the expense of "the club"
magic82ball
New Member
By a confirmed liar. His word is now worthless so please don’t keep regurgitating it.
skybluebeduff
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Like I said yesterday, it was always going to be depressing news, and I hate being right!
RoboCCFC90
Well-Known Member
I am going to plump with one of my very favourite sayings "The truth has many faces."
If you're asking for my opinion? Then the answer is I don't know, if they're planning to building a new stadium then they're going a long way to convince us, but even at this stage if they bought land they could still not have the intentions to build. If/When/Should the first brick be laid we will then see if this is real.
RoboCCFC90
Well-Known Member
"The truth has many faces"
RegTheDonk
Well-Known Member
Don't think he is trying to call anyone's bluff, I think he's looking at how much he can get away with borrowing and what he'll get for that money. I also don't think most of the people here have said they won't come until SISU are gone, I think many would be back tomorrow if we were back at the Ricoh - or, indeed, in a new ground that is "closer to the city centre than the Ricoh". I believe the current stay aways (myself included) are more KCIC rather than SISU OUT ... at least until we're in a position for them to sell us on.
As above GPE, I too would take Fisher a bit more seriously once these 3 facts are revealed.
I'd only give it some credit once a site has been announced, SISU have paid money for land, and the local authority has publically stated that planning applications have begun.
Until then, I'll go with the 8 year olds "rendering"...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...291.1073741828.554411537927644&type=1&theater
Sky Blue Pete
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The q and a detail will absolutely cover any football league issues so we are screwed.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
Didn't the football league say they hadn't seen any of this?
magic82ball
New Member
That’s one of your favourite sayings? mate you need some new sayings.
One I always like to go for is "things are never as bad as they seem" although my belief in this is being tested somewhat currently.
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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RoboCCFC90
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I'll bare it in mind, it gets me by just fine at the moment.
ajsccfc
Well-Known Member
This is way madder than the post it's a reply to, which is essentially 'nice pictures'.
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
The forum was for fans to have there say.
What say have we had so Far?
When have they listened to us before?
It is designed for the select few people that back their corner, not your average everyday supporter.
Not in Coventry Then it can't be CCFC.
Sorry but if the Ricoh is soulless what will this place be like.
I for one believe they may build it but that will be the death of CCFC for me.
KCICOV Not Warwickshire or any where else.
What say have we had so Far?
When have they listened to us before?
It is designed for the select few people that back their corner, not your average everyday supporter.
Not in Coventry Then it can't be CCFC.
Sorry but if the Ricoh is soulless what will this place be like.
I for one believe they may build it but that will be the death of CCFC for me.
KCICOV Not Warwickshire or any where else.
Matty_CCFC
New Member
My Daughter could have done this in her art class.
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
They will probably distress the building company with some clause so that they can then take them to court and get it for free. That is how they work,don't want to pay for anything.
Matty_CCFC
New Member
My Daughter could have done this in her art class.
Matty_CCFC
New Member
My Daughter could have done this in her art class.
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
They will probably distress the building company with some clause so that they can then take them to court and get it for free. That is how they work,don't want to pay for anything.
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
They will probably distress the building company with some clause so that they can then take them to court and get it for free. That is how they work,don't want to pay for anything.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
For a couple of hours yesterday I was quite excited and thought we might actually be getting some good news but this just seems like something that's been knocked up quickly as a response to the articles on the survey results.
An artist’s impression is meaningless, at the very least we need plans and details of where it will be. That's before you even consider details of how it will be financed and the ownership arrangements.
I do not for a minute believe this will be built but let’s just say this artists impression is actuate and respond to that. I hate the design, it looks like an inflatable! It doesn't look modular so it seems the initial build will have large areas without seating and look unfinished. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of facilities to generate money on non-match days. If this is all about revenues then, as we'll be competing against the Ricoh for business, the facilities need to be as good as, if not better, than the Ricoh.
"Fans will be encouraged to pass through a specially designed fans zone as they approach the stadium, with its design being influenced by the fans following a consultation process"
It sounds like this is all they're planning on consulting the fans about so that's a total waste of time.
"We need a minimum of 30 acres for the stadium build itself plus an additional eight acres to include the Academy infrastructure"
"The site is likely to be in excess of 50 acres"
"60 acres is needed for training and academy facilities"
Now I know 60 acres is also in excess of 50 acres and more than a minimum of 30 acres but those don't appear very consistent answers.
"property deals are complex and are very much dependent upon gaining planning consent for the proposed scheme can take some months to conclude"
"The planning process will take 12-18 months assuming that the project is not called in by the Secretary of State"
We're already 6 months into a 3 year project, add in say 6 months to complete the actual land deal and 18 months for planning and we've only got 6 months left to build the thing assuming all the funding is in place and there's no objection with planning.
"massive impact the community hub will bring to the local area."
How do they know this when they don't know where it's going to be? it's hardly going to be a community club if it's not based in the community and I haven't seen anything to indicate this is actually going to be built in the city.
"historical Coventry City match attendances cannot be ignored"
Then why have you ignored them? The Ricoh was sold out for the match against Crewe last year and since SISU have been in charge there have been 54 games at the Ricoh with an attendance in excess of the proposed new stadium even when it has been expanded to its maximum capacity. If this is all about revenues why such a low limit on the biggest revenue stream?
"The first-draft stadium brief also includes ten 12-seat hospitality boxes, one 24-seat hospitality box"
Again showing a lack of ambition, there's 30 at the Ricoh not including the lounges.
"The cost of the new stadium will be in excess of £20m."
How long is a piece of string?
"The financing will be a mix of equity and debt."
How much debt and at what interest rate, what odds on repayments being higher than the 'crippling' rent at the Ricoh.
"The community hub will attract grants from local and central government and will support the overall cost of the project."
He might want to check on that, there's very few of these grants available now even to establish organisations with clear charitable objectives, can't see there being many grants available to a hedge fund wishing to make a profit on the project.
"There will be a number of ways of getting to the stadium including bus and car."
How does he know there will be buses if they haven't got the land yet? Or does he just mean running busses on match day which isn't going to do much for attracting other businesses to the site.
"we currently foresee a maximum capacity of 3,000 car parking spaces"
This is going to be an issue if it's out in the sticks. There won't be surrounding businesses to pick up the slack on parking as there is at the Ricoh. If car is pretty much the only option to get there and there's not enough spaces people won't bother.
"The immediate surrounds of the stadium will be used for the Academy and the first team training facility. Any additional land surrounding the stadium will be used for a mix of uses that will be complimentary to such a substantial sporting facility."
This sounds like they're already giving up on attracting other businesses to the stadium location.
"facilities within the stadium and academy will be used to deliver health, disability, youth and social inclusion projects for the local community."
Don't the Higgs Trust already do this? Not sure how much inclusion there will be with a stadium located out of the city.
"one that generates revenue, both matchday and non-matchday, 365 days a year."
How? When you look at the Ricoh you can clearly see facilities that can generate income on non match days, can't see that here.
To be honest nothing released today gives me any reason to be optimistic. Just more BS from SISU to try and convince the gullible.
An artist’s impression is meaningless, at the very least we need plans and details of where it will be. That's before you even consider details of how it will be financed and the ownership arrangements.
I do not for a minute believe this will be built but let’s just say this artists impression is actuate and respond to that. I hate the design, it looks like an inflatable! It doesn't look modular so it seems the initial build will have large areas without seating and look unfinished. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of facilities to generate money on non-match days. If this is all about revenues then, as we'll be competing against the Ricoh for business, the facilities need to be as good as, if not better, than the Ricoh.
"Fans will be encouraged to pass through a specially designed fans zone as they approach the stadium, with its design being influenced by the fans following a consultation process"
It sounds like this is all they're planning on consulting the fans about so that's a total waste of time.
"We need a minimum of 30 acres for the stadium build itself plus an additional eight acres to include the Academy infrastructure"
"The site is likely to be in excess of 50 acres"
"60 acres is needed for training and academy facilities"
Now I know 60 acres is also in excess of 50 acres and more than a minimum of 30 acres but those don't appear very consistent answers.
"property deals are complex and are very much dependent upon gaining planning consent for the proposed scheme can take some months to conclude"
"The planning process will take 12-18 months assuming that the project is not called in by the Secretary of State"
We're already 6 months into a 3 year project, add in say 6 months to complete the actual land deal and 18 months for planning and we've only got 6 months left to build the thing assuming all the funding is in place and there's no objection with planning.
"massive impact the community hub will bring to the local area."
How do they know this when they don't know where it's going to be? it's hardly going to be a community club if it's not based in the community and I haven't seen anything to indicate this is actually going to be built in the city.
"historical Coventry City match attendances cannot be ignored"
Then why have you ignored them? The Ricoh was sold out for the match against Crewe last year and since SISU have been in charge there have been 54 games at the Ricoh with an attendance in excess of the proposed new stadium even when it has been expanded to its maximum capacity. If this is all about revenues why such a low limit on the biggest revenue stream?
"The first-draft stadium brief also includes ten 12-seat hospitality boxes, one 24-seat hospitality box"
Again showing a lack of ambition, there's 30 at the Ricoh not including the lounges.
"The cost of the new stadium will be in excess of £20m."
How long is a piece of string?
"The financing will be a mix of equity and debt."
How much debt and at what interest rate, what odds on repayments being higher than the 'crippling' rent at the Ricoh.
"The community hub will attract grants from local and central government and will support the overall cost of the project."
He might want to check on that, there's very few of these grants available now even to establish organisations with clear charitable objectives, can't see there being many grants available to a hedge fund wishing to make a profit on the project.
"There will be a number of ways of getting to the stadium including bus and car."
How does he know there will be buses if they haven't got the land yet? Or does he just mean running busses on match day which isn't going to do much for attracting other businesses to the site.
"we currently foresee a maximum capacity of 3,000 car parking spaces"
This is going to be an issue if it's out in the sticks. There won't be surrounding businesses to pick up the slack on parking as there is at the Ricoh. If car is pretty much the only option to get there and there's not enough spaces people won't bother.
"The immediate surrounds of the stadium will be used for the Academy and the first team training facility. Any additional land surrounding the stadium will be used for a mix of uses that will be complimentary to such a substantial sporting facility."
This sounds like they're already giving up on attracting other businesses to the stadium location.
"facilities within the stadium and academy will be used to deliver health, disability, youth and social inclusion projects for the local community."
Don't the Higgs Trust already do this? Not sure how much inclusion there will be with a stadium located out of the city.
"one that generates revenue, both matchday and non-matchday, 365 days a year."
How? When you look at the Ricoh you can clearly see facilities that can generate income on non match days, can't see that here.
To be honest nothing released today gives me any reason to be optimistic. Just more BS from SISU to try and convince the gullible.
Houchens Head
Fairly well known member from Malvern
Look like the Memorial Park to me? :thinking about:
