CCLSC minutes 29th May - Fisher Speaks (10 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

Even stranger when you walk past Tim Fisher etc and you know they read a site you made, but they have no idea who you are!

You're like the Keyser Soze of Coventry City.

No scratch that, you're the chicken guy from Breaking Bad.

 

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[shmmeee]

That would be a time to :claping hands:

It's a shame our privacy laws don't allow Nick to say though... although I have no burning desire to reveal myself even though no bugger knows me and I'm an irrelevance, just because, well... the whole point of message boards is a certain 'privacy' (unless you're bignoj posting his address up on GMK if somebody wanted a fight ).

So I wouldn't be over-comfortable if Nick were to unmask anyone, unless it was some blatant subterfuge... even if he could!

I kinda had to be outed unfortunately and to be honest it's not made discourse any better. I'm a big fan of anonymity on the net, I just don't like it when corporations abuse that with astroturfing, so I wouldn't mind if Nick found out that all RFCs posts come from Weber Shandwick HQ or something if he revealed that fact and let RFC explain (or some other open and shut case, not "this guy posts from the council house" when it's the janitor or something).

 

[Nick]

I kinda had to be outed unfortunately and to be honest it's not made discourse any better. I'm a big fan of anonymity on the net, I just don't like it when corporations abuse that with astroturfing, so I wouldn't mind if Nick found out that all RFCs posts come from Weber Shandwick HQ or something if he revealed that fact and let RFC explain (or some other open and shut case, not "this guy posts from the council house" when it's the janitor or something).

I agree, there is no proof that Weber Shandwick etc do post on here. If they did I am pretty sure they would do a proper job and not use "astroturfteam@webershandwick" email.

 

[Hobo]

Nah, was more of a hint...

Well if you haven't more than a hint I think you should withdraw your accusation. If you are hinting at stuff from a position of privilege then hiding behind privacy laws...you should have the balls to blow the doors off or keep your gob shut.

Do you know the real identifies of posters or not? I think it is in the public interest of all posters to know!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I kinda had to be outed unfortunately

Now...

In GMK's defence, think many of us knew who you 'were' anyway, long before you were 'outed' here, and we all kept quiet!

It's the catch 22 though. professional curiosity makes me want to ask lots of questions, but I'm just a bloke with a liking for 60s/70s comedy related [pseudonyms, so not likely to ever get those questions answered

 

[shmmeee]

Well if you haven't more than a hint I think you should withdraw your accusation. If you are hinting at stuff from a position of privilege then hiding behind privacy laws...you should have the balls to blow the doors off or keep your gob shut.

Do you know the real identifies of posters or not? I think it is in the public interest of all posters to know!

Of course he doesn't, how could he even know if it's me or my wife from this post to the next. All Nick can find is the poster's IP address, which tells you nothing other than where their ISP is, assuming they're not using a proxy (the same way all those hot singles know you're from Coventry).

Astroturfers are generally discovered by a community through someone looking at a mix of posting times, posting location (from IP) and posting habits compared to normal, but the false positive count is astronomical.

 

[Nick]

Well if you haven't more than a hint I think you should withdraw your accusation. If you are hinting at stuff from a position of privilege then hiding behind privacy laws...you should have the balls to blow the doors off or keep your gob shut.

Do you know the real identifies of posters or not? I think it is in the public interest of all posters to know!

I haven't accused anybody, have I?

 

[shmmeee]

Now...

In GMK's defence, think many of us knew who you 'were' anyway, long before you were 'outed' here, and we all kept quiet!

It's the catch 22 though. professional curiosity makes me want to ask lots of questions, but I'm just a bloke with a liking for 60s/70s comedy related [pseudonyms, so not likely to ever get those questions answered

I didn't even know it had anything to do with GMK. I don't even think it's relevant, I enjoy being a random idiot and specifically try to stay out of other things so I can enjoy that privilege. All people knowing who I am has done is make them think I've got an agenda.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I didn't even know it had anything to do with GMK. I don't even think it's relevant, I enjoy being a random idiot and specifically try to stay out of other things so I can enjoy that privilege. All people knowing who I am has done is make them think I've got an agenda.

It has nothing to do with GMK, but you have been going after them a bit recently, and I was just pointing out the fact it was hardly a shock who you 'were' for some of us who post there, when you were outed on here

That said, it's only one person who goes after you really, isn't it?

 

[Hobo]

I haven't accused anybody, have I?

So have you any evidence of false accounts pro ACL or pro SISU?

 

[Nick]

So have you any evidence of false accounts pro ACL or pro SISU?

Are you the police?

 

[limoncello]

Only if the police are on £600 per hour.

 

[Grendel]

You're going to tell me that Grendel is Ann Lucas or something now aren't you?

That's enough to make me choke on my woodbines

 

[Hobo]

Are you the police?

You started the "hints" around posters and their accounts and the fact they might not be genuine and working for certain organisations...you run the forum where's your evidence?

 

[Nick]

You started the "hints" around posters and their accounts and the fact they might not be genuine and working for certain organisations...you run the forum where's your evidence?

Any I have is piled up

 

[shmmeee]

It has nothing to do with GMK, but you have been going after them a bit recently, and I was just pointing out the fact it was hardly a shock who you 'were' for some of us who post there, when you were outed on here

That said, it's only one person who goes after you really, isn't it?

Yeah it is, but it still taints my opinion in my mind. And (to bring this full circle) I can understand why someone who was a major player in this would post anonymously.

 

[thegameaintstraight]

That's enough to make me choke on my woodbines

I had you down as a Passing Cloud type.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

I had you down as a Passing Cloud type.

No, there's a brand called Maverick - sort of suits Grendel IMHO (was going to go for Git...anes, but didn't want to mess with the dark lord )

 

[Hobo]

Any I have is piled up

Yes, thought as much, you are just trying to talk out you arse.

 

[Nick]

Yes, thought as much, you are just trying to talk out you arse.

Where is your evidence?

 

[lordsummerisle]

There are definitely some that have been somewhat suspicious.

There was a new poster, who started with a Pro-Sixfields stance, which changed within days to a virulent, impassioned anti-Sixfields stance, and appeared unaware that Warwick University wasn't actually in Warwick!

 

[shmmeee]

There are definitely some that have been somewhat suspicious.

There was a new poster, who started with a Pro-Sixfields stance, which changed within days to a virulent, impassioned anti-Sixfields stance, and appeared unaware that Warwick University wasn't actually in Warwick!

I think I remember that guy.

 

[lordsummerisle]

I think I remember that guy.

Don't think he hung around for long after I pointed out that anybody half-way local would know where Warwick Uni was!

Surprised at a Labour council using a PR company who specialise in anti-unionisation campaigns.

Matters that we handle include enforcement actions, major litigation (especially intellectual property, competition, fraud and international disputes), natural and man-made disasters, environmental, health and safety issues, financial situations (M&A, bankruptcies and restructurings), board disputes, management changes, industrial action (including strikes, unionisation campaigns and plant closures), product recalls, product liability and market exits.

Still, don't suppose there is such a thing as an ethical PR company anyway for anybody to hire.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Forgive me, but isn't that pro-unionisation?

 

[lordsummerisle]

Forgive me, but isn't that pro-unionisation?

I read it as mobilising opinion agaist unionisation?

That's good PR for you, something for everybody!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I read it as mobilising opinion agaist unionisation?

That's good PR for you, something for everybody!

Yeah I delved a bit further, into one of their blokes, and it's def anti!

Rod has helped promote and protect the reputations of many companies and other organisations, and of the people who lead them.

Hi Weber Shandwick, if you're reading then I've noticed a few proof errors on your website, if you fancy giving me a job at your usual rates

 

[lordsummerisle]

Yeah I delved a bit further, into one of their blokes, and it's def anti!



Hi Weber Shandwick, if you're reading then I've noticed a few proof errors on your website, if you fancy giving me a job at your usual rates

I'll undercut him in good capitalist anti-union fashion!

 

[limoncello]

It would be ironic if it was one of their people that had introduced the 'Sixfields Scabs' expression.

 

[dongonzalos]

But also a joke with a serious point behind it. For all the shit RFC gets, (s)he's hardly likely to be in the SISU employ, are they? If ever an approach is going to rile people against SISU, that's the one!

I thought he meant ACL plant for that very reason.
I have said it before Grendel is an ACL plant mastering reverse psychology. He galvanises every thread to a point where people are whipped into an anti SISU frenzy by defending them

 

[dongonzalos]

Even stranger when you walk past Tim Fisher etc and you know they read a site you made, but they have no idea who you are!

Next time ask him when this bloody forum is. Then ask him if he is negotiating to buy a site before making a cursory enquiry about planning apps

 

[dongonzalos]

You're like the Keyser Soze of Coventry City.

Best film ever

 

[dongonzalos]

Are you the police?

You just outed him!!

 

[dongonzalos]

Don't think he hung around for long after I pointed out that anybody half-way local would know where Warwick Uni was!

Surprised at a Labour council using a PR company who specialise in anti-unionisation campaigns.



Still, don't suppose there is such a thing as an ethical PR company anyway for anybody to hire.

I think the expertise they were drawn to is the man (in this case woman) made disaster bit

 

[TurkeyTrot]

That would be a time to :claping hands:

It's a shame our privacy laws don't allow Nick to say though... although I have no burning desire to reveal myself even though no bugger knows me and I'm an irrelevance, just because, well... the whole point of message boards is a certain 'privacy' (unless you're bignoj posting his address up on GMK if somebody wanted a fight ).

So I wouldn't be over-comfortable if Nick were to unmask anyone, unless it was some blatant subterfuge... even if he could!

Oh my, that was one funny night harroldbisonette called him out saying his post code was wrong, he apologized and put his correct one up explaining that he had recently moved. He then said he was leaving his house early the next day to get to the game and unreelineal thanked him for the info and said he would be burgling him in the morning.
The good old days

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

No mention of building a new ground there, just moving to another ground, due to being handed a winding-up petition.

That logic doesn't follow, does it? If you're claiming the winding up order was served with intent, then there would be nothing to move.

Either the winding up order was an escalation in the stand off, in which case threatening to move wasn't appropriate response; or it was served with evil intent, in which case the club ceases to exist and nothing remains to be moved.

But it can't serve both purposes, surely?