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Nick
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I have pretty much explained what happened in the other thread in terms of organising. If people want to make their own assumptions it is up to them
Some still won't listen.dongonzalos
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The only sarcastic comments were in reply to you because of the way I was spoken to, others who asked got a lengthy explanation and understood the situation
What is bizarre is how you won't let it drop, you keep stirring it up as much as you can.
Your sarcastic reply to Schmeee when he innocently asked if he had missed a thread updating people about the meetings. When he fist heard about it.
This was before you attacked me
Probably next to yours with you telling us about ACL / Trust council stuff I guess.
Nick
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I didn't attack anybody ha.
If people want to be sarcastic, they will get sarcasm back. The people who were actually bothered and interested have had a PM whereas you just like to stir
Grendel
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This is getting beyond a joke. Its obvious that what you want is the forum not to happen so you can moan and you don't in the interim want to meet him. I suspect in a one on one situation you'd struggle and all this squirming is to deflect from that fact.
dongonzalos
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No they haven't really
Lets gave about the most detailed explanation.
That's been about it
Nick said he was bored and was glad of the football distracting him
LS effectively said it was a load of crap.
Grendel teased us all saying someone very interesting was there but he couldn't say who.
Which now transpires to be Byng not sure why that had to be a big secret?
No one has really said ML was asked X Y and Z and answered .....,
D
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....and even when you say something, it becomes Chinese Whispers or people don't listen, or choose to read what they want into something - reading formation theory FWIW, and also various attempts by various sides to skew whatever is said so it never becomes neutral.
I may be many things... but I'm no idiot.
In fact, having had various jobs that have needed me to find out information by virtue of asking the right questions, I'd back myself ahead of many to ask the right questions to whoever I met out of whatever side.
However... being no idiot also, I know better than to try to skew something beyond my own opinion, if the evidence is not there. What drives me mad on this site in particular is the desire of many to present comment as FACT - I'd rather not play that game.
Also, being no idiot, if I have some thoughts spiked because of certain things, I'd rather make my own enquiries to see if there's anything in my hypotheses or not - opening up said hypotheses to the world nullifies the chances of finding things out for a start... and also stirs panic here there is no panic if there is nothing in something (there was something I had a sneaking suspicion about and I checked, btw, something that nobody here has asked about but I thought to ask about because I happen to have done some checking up - there's nothing in it. To report my own thought process would be needlessly destructive and unhelpful. To report what that was would also be needlessly destructive).
There are many avenues to prod and poke, and it's not just the answers, but how the answers are delivered that offer a certain insight to investigate further. I could, of course, not bother... but I'm cursed with an enquiring mind, and an ability to obtain information and weigh up whether it's valid information or not.
This latter point is especially key.
As I said earlier, I also met McGinnity 1to1 back in the day... I have met other people too... and for that matter I have heard scurrilous rumours of certain people meeting certain 'characters' involved with this (not, incidentally, characters on the SISU 'side') but they are just rumours, and not worth the time of day to report back because a rumour causes needless trouble - it's someone with an ego bigger than themselves who'd report back a rumour here and laugh as it became FACT, after all. I can only speak for myself, but the desire to agitate and stir from a couple is... interesting in itself.
As I say, it's not just the answers, but the response to answers. I could indulge in why that's interesting but again, I have nothing beyond a thought process there - and I am my own man, nobody else - I don't have to justify talking to ANYBODY, and they don't have to justify talking to me. I may be many things... put me in a large group and I lose the nerve to speak; put me on a message board and I can convey my view quite well... put me in a small group or one to one and I'd back myself to nudge and prod in the right directions as much as anybody.
That still doesn't provide answers, however, and I'm not going to make up answers just to satisfy the crazed incessant ramblings of some. If I stick my pompous mode on however, I'd be a lot better at uncovering things than many (not all). Everyone has certain 'skills'... and that happens to be one of mine.
Surely, SURELY it doesn't take a genius to work out that given nobody who outed themselves from that meeting has spent their time since spouting how SISU were right all along... that is sufficient to demonstrate there is no smoking gun, at that meeting at least.
The desire to make, and create, one is... interesting.
As is the need for people to do SISU's PR for them.
The opportunity has been given to some who complain that the process is mystifying to demystify it themselves, and they refuse to take it. Again, my own training says that the process of selected focus groups is an entirely appropriate research methos - don't like that answer? Tough, because it is. The childish distortion that goes on here is enough to make me reticent. It's not SISU that makes me reticent, but the sheer hatred, abuse, and threats I got off a message board when I signed up here... and I wasn't even saying SISU were good then(!)
Again, the response was interesting.
So... here's the choice. You either accept that when I say there was nothing worth reporting back on that there was indeed nothing worth reporting back on... or you keep asking and deciding there must have been *really*, and I keep repeating that there wasn't!
In the meantime, the opportunity is given for people to judge for themselves!
So they either judge for themselves, or accept the answer.
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dongonzalos
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Why did Byngs name need to not be mentioned?
Grendel
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I didn't see it my place to name the others who attended.
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Maybe you should write a Blog NW .
So people can ignore it and then accuse me of staying silent?
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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I'd read It ,digest It .
You could call It " Readers Digest ",FWIW I'd trust you to ask the right questions having seen you at work in those old PWKH threads .
fernandopartridge
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99% of posts on here are out then. Apart from mine.
D
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What people miss, often, is asking the right question often doesn't even provide an answer, let alone the desired answer!
But it's best to see such things as an ongoing thing, see where the interesting responses (or lack of) come from, see if there's anything worth exploring on the back of it.
Chances are... there isn't!
But eventually there will be. Somewhere.
Can I just say that I don’t want a meeting with Labovitch and certainly have no intention of attending any forum that he organises (if he ever does).
I expect the people in charge of the club to manage it back to a better position in the football hierarchy and to manage it back to a location in Coventry, not run around finding someone else to blame for all the club’s woes, which is the only discussion the current management want to have with the fans.
When SISU came into the club seven years ago, most of the fans thought we were marking time in the Championship and that we would soon be back in the top tier. Nowadays, most think we are destined for the bottom tier or even worse. By any standards, that is woeful, yet SISU don’t seem to care and are only concerned with engaging with fans to score points against local councillors, charities or fans groups. A pox on them, I’m out.
I expect the people in charge of the club to manage it back to a better position in the football hierarchy and to manage it back to a location in Coventry, not run around finding someone else to blame for all the club’s woes, which is the only discussion the current management want to have with the fans.
When SISU came into the club seven years ago, most of the fans thought we were marking time in the Championship and that we would soon be back in the top tier. Nowadays, most think we are destined for the bottom tier or even worse. By any standards, that is woeful, yet SISU don’t seem to care and are only concerned with engaging with fans to score points against local councillors, charities or fans groups. A pox on them, I’m out.
fernandopartridge
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Welcome back. Sorely missed.
dongonzalos
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lordsummerisle
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Readers Wives might gain a slightly larger readership.
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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Nick
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Enoughs enough now Dong . Didn't you know the first rule of Labo's wanking club is not to talk about Labo's wanking club
Some people only got that???? Obviously weren't that special
Always confused me that one ,Viewers or Voyeurs wives more apt maybe?
Wish I had a back catalogue to refer to,one of my old bosses ex's had a feature In there back in the 70's 80's ,always had the hots for her as a Teenager.
duffer
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Just to move back to the point, and to give Nick some credit for what he tried to do, he invited me to attend a meeting with ML, and I don't think anyone could accuse me of being pro-SISU. (I didn't go incidentally because I've got a young baby, alongside some other ankle-biters, and it isn't easy for me to get nights off at the mo).
My concern then was as it is now. Would what came out of those meetings be allowed to be made public? One attendee, by proxy, seemed to get very nervous about legal action -- others have said that there was nothing worth making public.
Given SISU's recent history of attempting to stifle dissenting voices or bad publicity (and let's be honest, that's *exactly* what was tried with the SBT and the Conn article) it's hardly surprising that people are interested/concerned about what was said.
Nick - how about this as an idea. Given that ML seems keen to talk to supporters, would he be happy to answer some written questions? Or, if I or someone else turned up with some prepared questions, would he be prepared to answer them on the record? No ambush, no shouting "SISU out", no drinks or stools thrown - straight questions, straight answers. Can you pass that request on?
My concern then was as it is now. Would what came out of those meetings be allowed to be made public? One attendee, by proxy, seemed to get very nervous about legal action -- others have said that there was nothing worth making public.
Given SISU's recent history of attempting to stifle dissenting voices or bad publicity (and let's be honest, that's *exactly* what was tried with the SBT and the Conn article) it's hardly surprising that people are interested/concerned about what was said.
Nick - how about this as an idea. Given that ML seems keen to talk to supporters, would he be happy to answer some written questions? Or, if I or someone else turned up with some prepared questions, would he be prepared to answer them on the record? No ambush, no shouting "SISU out", no drinks or stools thrown - straight questions, straight answers. Can you pass that request on?
Nick
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I can only ask
I will see what says, the only thing is the "why wasn't my question asked" type bickering.I think people also underestimate all sides in the watching out for things on the internet and getting heavy, I don't think anybody is innocent.
As a note, nobody was told not to repeat anything that i can remember, I might have missed it though so it wasn't forced across that of you repeat you will be sued
letsallsingtogether
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Correct.
well joking apart.
At the end of he day I was invited to attend one of these meetings, not knowing who else was going to be there, felt I had to go and show solidarity to the Anti Sisu crowd I am part of.
For those that know me they will know that I no pushover however like most on here I am a rational person in real life.
I too didn't want to be the first to say that I had gone, I never posted straight away as I was digesting the 4 hours of lost time and mental torture I was put through....
Did I believe everything ML said No,
Was there any truth in what he said Probably
Have I changed my stance NO
do I care what others think NO
Was I a sisu out protester before we move away NO
So there you go I have taken lots of abuse from posters on this site because I blew a whistle did I care No
So we are a divided fan base that will always be the case until we move back to the RICOH for me.
I Don't care for Northampton I don't care for any shed if they move away permanently well so will I until that day we really need to stick together and fight until the fight is won PUSB.
Will be at Sheffield on Saturday if anyone would like to meet up for a drink will leave my Whistle in my pocket until the game.
well joking apart.
At the end of he day I was invited to attend one of these meetings, not knowing who else was going to be there, felt I had to go and show solidarity to the Anti Sisu crowd I am part of.
For those that know me they will know that I no pushover however like most on here I am a rational person in real life.
I too didn't want to be the first to say that I had gone, I never posted straight away as I was digesting the 4 hours of lost time and mental torture I was put through....
Did I believe everything ML said No,
Was there any truth in what he said Probably
Have I changed my stance NO
do I care what others think NO
Was I a sisu out protester before we move away NO
So there you go I have taken lots of abuse from posters on this site because I blew a whistle did I care No
So we are a divided fan base that will always be the case until we move back to the RICOH for me.
I Don't care for Northampton I don't care for any shed if they move away permanently well so will I until that day we really need to stick together and fight until the fight is won PUSB.
Will be at Sheffield on Saturday if anyone would like to meet up for a drink will leave my Whistle in my pocket until the game.
He is
Nick
Administrator
Correct.
well joking apart.
At the end of he day I was invited to attend one of these meetings, not knowing who else was going to be there, felt I had to go and show solidarity to the Anti Sisu crowd I am part of.
For those that know me they will know that I no pushover however like most on here I am a rational person in real life.
I too didn't want to be the first to say that I had gone, I never posted straight away as I was digesting the 4 hours of lost time and mental torture I was put through....
Did I believe everything ML said No,
Was there any truth in what he said Probably
Have I changed my stance NO
do I care what others think NO
Was I a sisu out protester before we move away NO
So there you go I have taken lots of abuse from posters on this site because I blew a whistle did I care No
So we are a divided fan base that will always be the case until we move back to the RICOH for me.
I Don't care for Northampton I don't care for any shed if they move away permanently well so will I until that day we really need to stick together and fight until the fight is won PUSB.
Will be at Sheffield on Saturday if anyone would like to meet up for a drink will leave my Whistle in my pocket until the game.
I can vouch that he is a decent bloke and the best thing to probably come out of the meeting was actually meeting other fans with all different views / backgrounds / stories.
Nick
Administrator
Have you ever been to or listened to the past open meetings? People get stopped and moved on so somebody else can ask why we haven't got Ronaldo and Messi up front.
chiefdave
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That's always been a huge problem with the fans forum setup. In normal circumstances its just a bit annoying when some fool asks why we haven't signed Messi but when there's important things to find out and decent questions are skipped over to get to nonsense its very frustrating but what do you do? The club can't meet everyone in small groups.
Maybe various groups could be asked to send a representative and their members or users can agree beforehand what they want covered. For something like the finance discussion you would clearly get more benefit with someone like OSB questioning them but you'd probably get other groups complaining they've been left out.
There will always be complaints no matter what you do so I think from a club perspective the key is to operate in such a way that you can always justify your methods even if some people disagree with them.
Nick
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Because then people would have kicked off they couldn't go, why their question wasn't asked etc. I have said if people do have their own questions, I am more than happy to pass details over to see if they can arrange a meeting of their own to put their own points / opinions and questions across. It isn't me saying everything is top secret and you will only find out if you go and lube up for him, it is me saying I went there straight from work, it was a rush, I didn't go with a notepad to try and catch him out, I didn't write notes.
If people really do have questions, then why not sit one on one or in a small group to ask their question for themselves. Not being snotty or sarcastic, but surely it is a better way to ask than on a microphone while everybody is butting in and jeering?
Grendel
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They aren't building a new ground so that's that answered.
Nick
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I didn't hand pick the answers, I picked a few people who I thought could challenge and would challenge. Of course everybody on here wouldn't get their questions answered and I wish they could, which is why I try to pass details on so if any meetings happen, they can be involved.